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  • in reply to: PA-58 Verdun… #2051490
    jackehammond
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    Folks,

    Off topic, but the drawing of the PA-58 shows a twin surface area (eg similar to the Terrier or Sea Dart) launcher and large AA cannons. The USN had a few carriers also fitted with area defense weapons — ie they were dismounted later.

    Question: Why is this done. A carrier is a floating armored airbase. The only weapons it should have are last ditch close-in. Also I think that carriers escort should have the helicopters — ie a ship like the Italians helicopter carriers with big decks on the back. Carriers are VERY expensive. And every ton and foot should be used for one purpose. Launching fixed wing aircraft. Heck I even think they ought to have all the radars taken off. Use the escort ships for radar, helicopters and area defense.

    Jack E. Hammond

    NOTE> I have a feeling I am going to get my brains blown out electronically on this opinion. But for the record some retired admirals who don’t have to toe the party line have stated the same.

    in reply to: Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System #1813391
    jackehammond
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    Dear SteveO,

    Thanks very much for that great photo of the SAR Merlin. I know it is off topic but why the USMC won’t buy the Merlin to replace the worn out CH-46s Sea Knights is beyond me. Yes, maybe the MV-22 will work out eventually, but in the mean time Marines are dying in crashing CH-46 without even getting shot at! And the MV-22 will NEVER have the high altitude ability that the Merlin has and when you need high altitude or hot/high performance range and max speed is the last thing you are thinking about.

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: Question about Russian and US dumb bombs. #1813393
    jackehammond
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    The US uses low drag bombs (I think all the 750 and 3000 pounders are gone) but all of the Russian bombs I’ve seen seem like drag wasn’t even considered when they were designed. My questions are do you lose explosive efficiency with a low drag design or is it just cheaper to make them the way the Russians do?

    Dear Member,

    There have been a lot of questions about this subject in the aviation press. Especially when they saw them on the Mig-27. Many think the Russians designed those 250kg and 500kg with those blunt noses with the opinion it keeps them from digging in the ground before exploding. Also they are more effective in fragmentation when explode. We also must remember the Russians keep their tactical aircraft close to the front so drag and range is not a worry.

    Just my 2 cents worth. Could be wrong.

    Jack E. Hammond

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    in reply to: LTV CROSSBOW Pedestal Mounted Stinger #1813394
    jackehammond
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    A healthy compromise might be to fit a GAU-12 25mm gun, and attach a Starstreak launcher (I remember reading that it has great capability for destroying tanks, including the latest types due to its velocity) and Hydra rockets, for anti-personnel use. The turret would probably be a bit like the Blazer turret – and would give a good balance, with the gun for anti-materiel and anti-air, Starstreak for anti-aircraft and anti-armour, and rockets for anti-personnel and light anti-armour (costing less than the Starstreaks). It is a compromise, but to be honest, just about anything you try with design work is a compromise!

    Dear Member,

    The Marines and US Army were both going to fit 2.75 inch Hydra pods to their light antiair vehicles (ie the Avenger and the LAV-AD). The 2.75 inch rockets would each have six bomblets like are used on the MLRS rocket which would be eject at a certain range before the target. The idea was for use against antiarmor helicopters in hover behind a hill or trees. In tests though the 2.75 inch rockets proved to inaccurate (ie only the Canadians seem to have mastered making an accurate fold fin rocket but the US military has “not invented here” syndrome that is horrible). So the idea was dropped.

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: LTV CROSSBOW Pedestal Mounted Stinger #1813395
    jackehammond
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    Why would you want Starstreak when you’ve got LOSATs? You ever seen what a LOSAT does to a tank? It’s way faster than Starstreak and about nine times heavier.

    Dear Members,

    LOSAT is a heavy puppy. In the HUMVEE version four rounds are mounted on top of the roof with limited movement to the side or up and down. As to the Starstreak it would only be a “last resort” weapon against any ground target. And a poor one at that. The Starstreak three guided darts (ie that don’t hit a pin point area but come in at a triangle patter) are only 25mm in diameter and have limited AP ability as they have a small HE content. Now the candidate that lost to replace the Blowpipe/Javelin (ie the updated version of the Blowpipe is called Javelin and causes no end of confusion because of the US Army naming of the Dragon replacement) was the BAC Thunderbolt. it was also laser guided. But it was one single missile of about 60mm diameter. It is a lot like the LOSAT only smaller.

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: LTV CROSSBOW Pedestal Mounted Stinger #1813396
    jackehammond
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    GAU-8 is enourmour, yes. It is heavy, yes. But that would be one serious tank killier right there! I wonder how feasible it would be for a new MBT design? Would it have the range necessary to take on something like a T-72 or T-80?

    Dear Sean,

    The US Army actually developed such beast in the late 1950s called Vigilante. It first mounted a Gatling cannon firing the WW2 37mm round but that round was found totally unsuitable for antiair and they then fitted a Gatling cannon firing the Oerlikon 35mm round. The US Army though decided it was just to heavy. The armored vehicle used was the same on used for the 8 inch and 175mm SP cannnons.

    Finally, No the 30mm or 25mm cannon is not good for engaging T-72s or T-80s. Yes we have all heard the stories from the Gulf War. But over and over US military officers have been begging people not to base future war against a well trained enemy with Russian equipment based on that (ie sort of like the Italians thought biplane fighters were the ticket based on the Spanish Civil War experience). Yes those two cannons have penetration against an MBT (ie especially with a DU AP round), but they have to get close. And most trained tank crews will smoke their drawers before they get close. It is sort of like the US generals saying that the Sherman with the 75mm is good enough against the German Tiger and Panther — ie as long as they have four tanks per German tank and they can get a rear or side shot. Would you want those odds?

    Jack E. Hammond

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    in reply to: LTV CROSSBOW Pedestal Mounted Stinger #1813415
    jackehammond
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    The 20mm shell used in CIWS is ineffective at more than 1.8km. Against aircraft you could probably extend it a small amount but 20mm is just too small these days. Light projectiles shed velocity too quickly and lack payload.
    Modern combat aircraft do not have poor protection… an Apache probably has better protection than a Shturmovick. The A-10 even more so. Modern fighter bombers have the protection of being able to fly higher and faster and still detect and engage targets with better sensors and communications with ground forces.

    And 1.8k is all the range a CIWS needs. Other AAA or antiair systems kick in beyond that. And with the CIWS that is the reason DU is used to get the weight of the projectile and rate of fire. And for the last statement, that is the exception and not the norm. There is the famous instance of an F-4 deciding to scare the manure out of a Thai guard on the ground and in turn the scared guard fired an M1 Garand with .30 caliber ammo and forced the crew to eject. Most combat aircraft today can’t take anywhere near the smacking that aircraft of WW2 could. Another prime example was the first Gulf War in 1991. A US Army SpecOps team was emplaced secretly along a main road from Iraq to Kuwait and got discovered by some kids. They called for some help when the regular Iraqi Army arrived in trucks. The F-16 that arrived would not come down for fear of a 37mm AAA in the area. They did not get help till some A-10s arrived.

    At about 1.5km a 20mm cannon shell has less energy and penetration than a 50 cal SLAP round. A heavier projectile of larger calibre might leave the barrel at a lower velocity than a 20mm but it will shed velocity slower and if the range is 2km or more would probably actually get to the target sooner than a 20mm round.

    There are 20mm round and their are 20mm rounds. If you are talking about the 20mm round used by the HS and Oerlikon cannons that is most likely true. But not the ones used by AA of today and from the late 1950s on. A German Army study into the subject of cannons for armored vehicles looked into the subject. The reason why the 25mm and 30mm was adopted by many NATO nations for armored vehicles was not penetration as many believed but the HE content of the shells. That was why the US Army went with the 25mm cannon over the 20mm (ie the Germans stuck with the 20mm considering it good enough against non-MBT targets). And I think the US Navy was smart enough to weigh the pros and cons of going with the .50 caliber (ie it is offered in both a three and six barrel gatling version by GE) or the 20mm. They decided on a the 20mm for good reason. Weight with muzzle velocity has an effect especially if it has a high rate of fire.

    Most systems actually tend to use HE to engage targets. The intention is to set off the incoming missiles warhead rather than punch holes in it. The Soviets, whom arguably have the most experience with highly supersonic Anti Ship missiles use a mix of 30mm in HE-Frag and light guided missiles. Muzzle velocities are not huge… in fact range between 860 and 960m/s, compared to the Phalanx at something like 1,200m/s.

    Ahhh…the big debate. The big one between Bofors and others. The USN after WW2 based on their experience with the Japanese sucide aircraft when this route. Developing auto 3 inch and 5 inch cannons firing proximity fuzed rounds. But with ASM and high speed aircraft you have problem: ie the slew rates of cannons slow dramatically with caliber. And with large caliber proximity rounds their is no assurance that you will explode the warhead of the incoming missile or aircraft and it will still after being disabled come crashing into you. The USN (and the Dutch and the Spanish, etc) want a close in weapon that will smack the warhead so hard that it will explode it.

    The GAU-8 is enormous and very heavy. A lighter single barrel model firing the same ammo fitted to, say an M60 tank chassis so it can move with the troops with a rate of fire of maybe 800-1200 rounds per barrel and fitted with 2-4 barrels (1200 rpm for 2 barrels or 800 rpm for 4 barrels) would be ideal. The fixed barrels would improve accuracy. The fact that they were not gatling barrels means they wouldn’t need a huge power supply to wind them up… they would fire at normal rate of fire from the first shot instead of having to wind up… and the barrel length you could use would make them even higher velocity than the aircraft model… you could also use Sabot rounds for even better penetration. Of course that would mean you’d need a digital fire control computer as the trajectory of the AP and HE rounds would be completely different. With dual feed guns you could change ammo types at the flick of a switch.

    It is not the rate of fire (ie although that is one of them) but the fact that the cannons rate of fire can easily be changed, they have a chance to cool increasing accuracy and more important with the Gatling principle a jam does not make the cannon inoperatable. It just keeps firing but not that barrel. And the USN and USAF thought of SABOT rounds for the Phalanx and the A-10s cannon but decided that a better option was a standard AP with a core surrounded by an aluminum body. And it seems to have worked. Whether right or wrong they believe that 35mm and higher is best for sabot rounds.

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: Worlds most pointless air force #2589489
    jackehammond
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    First of all, if you have no airbase in the area, you shouldn’t be bombing people there. Aircraft carriers, in general, lead to mindless aggression and over extension. Take the Japanese attack by carrier on Pearl Harbor.

    Secondly, aircraft carriers in the littoral spend more time protecting itself than actually doing things that can affect the course of war. Iraq and others don’t have the submarines to pose a threat to carriers so the US have not had to deal with possible threats. But in the end, using carriers on third world nations without a navy is like using an expensive white elephant to crush an ant. It could be done in many different ways. Of course, those ways are not as “cool” as an aircraft carrier. I’ll grant you that.

    The USMC air wings are nothing but mindless and wasteful renditions of the USAF.

    That said, I actually love the history and machines of the USN/USMC. But that doesn’t change the fact that they are wasteful and simply replicate dutie that should be handled by the USAF.

    Dear Member,

    A lot of power civilians in the Pentagon agreed with you almost totally after WW2 till the Korean War came along. Especially about Marine aircraft. Of all the strange things it was the US Army begging Congress not to kill the aircraft carriers and Marine air. Everyone discovered that the B-36s could not do the deed as the USAF promised. For what ever reason (ie and that is another argument) the USAF thinks it has only two primary roles: Air Superiority and Strategic Bombing. And that is where the real problem is.

    Finally, as for aircraft carriers. They are like the old coastal fortifications of the 1800s. The US thought they were a waste of money after it won its war of independence with the UK. Then came the War of 1812 and they discovered that they should have spent the money. It is that way with aircraft carriers. Yes, they are expensive for the US. But a lot more expensive if a war comes where you need them and you don’t. As the US found out when it hardly had any (ie I think only four fleet carriers) in 1950.

    Jack E. Hammond

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: Maritime attack role eyed for B-1B #2589493
    jackehammond
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    Cannot really say on this one, However, a 250 lb bomb going off in close proximity of a speed boat would not do it any good at all. :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

    Dear Members,

    In fact this is the tactic that doomed PT boat attacks with torpedoes at high speeds in the open ocean. The NK tried it “once” during the 1950s Korean War and proximity air burst from 5 inch guns destroyed all the attacking swarm of PT boats.

    But one idea would be a Rhodesian bomb developed in that war before it became Zimbawbe (sp?). The bomb looked like a large gas cansister used in welding. It contained tens of thousands of ball bearings. It was exploded a certain altitude and the lethal spray pattern was devasting the one time it was used against HQ in Mozambique — ie some Rhodesian SAS marked the locating with some green flares only seen from the air. Also another weapon that ARMSCOR actual advertised in the 1980s for this role is that one where a bunch of bomblets that bounce in the air and then explode. Have the photos and description somewhere in my pile of files.

    Last, I know everyone will find this hard to believe. But in the old Royal Air Force Flying Review (which became eventually Air International today) there is some drawing of the aircraft offered by the UK industry to replace the Shackleton in the maritime ASW role. One of the aircraft looked exactly like the B-1 of today.

    Jack E. Hammond

    PS. Would I be violating a copyright rules in scanning and posting those drawings of 1962-63? Anyone know “for sure.”

    in reply to: LTV CROSSBOW Pedestal Mounted Stinger #1814409
    jackehammond
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    The US relies of its airforce… hense the low priority for such systems.

    Personally I think it would make much more sense for them to go with automatic cannon armed vehicles equivelent to Shilka so that when they take it to war and they find they don’t need it it could be used as a very powerful escort vehicle instead.
    A four barreled gun system in the 30-35mm calibre for good rate of fire plus heavy shell weight would probably be the best compromise. (The old 40mm dusters were probably too slow firing to get away with being seen as a modern anti aircraft system, and the clip loading is a bit too slow… though the twin 57mm of the ZSU-57-2 were considered quite successful in the ground to ground role, though like the dusters were not credible without radar assistance in the ground to air role).
    The Vulcan was a waste of ammo… and a bit underpowered. 20mm is marginal against aircraft these days.

    Dear GarryB,

    The reason for going to a bigger projectile is not that is underpowered if its shells impact the target (ie in fact most combat aircraft are more vunerable to AAA than WW2 aircraft). The problem is hitting the target. With 35mm to 40mm to 57mm you can use proximity fuse and special shells like the Oerliken AHED (ie the shell explodes in front of the target spraying it with tungsten pellets). The 20mm/25mm/30mm is popular with anti-shipping missile systems because those systems rely on a direct kill method with AP rounds. All three of those caliber have high muzzle velocity and high rate of fires. The 25mm/30mm cannon is use on a lot of armor vehicles because those two caliber combine a high HE shell capacity (ie the difference in HE content between a 20mm HE projectile and a 25mm HE shell is astonishing for must 5mm more in diameter) for engaging ATGW teams and other ground targets and air targets with a high muzzle velocity for antiarmor engagements with AP.

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: TU-95 vs B-52 #2565900
    jackehammond
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    Having looked into the specs, your right on this one. However, the BLU-82 of the Vietnam war is not based on the big British bombs, in that its a High Capacity weapon (large thin case blast bomb) unlike the Tallboy, Tarzon (Guided US Tallboy) or Grand Slam weapons that were in the medium capacity range in charge to case weight. Having a look at the US Nuclear weapon specs, the biggest in weight was the Mk 17 that weighted in at 41,000 lbs and was never dropped as a live weapon. (The Tsar Bomba was between 52920 and 59535lbs. in weight, thus the Russian bomb is the biggest nuclear weapon in physical size as well as megatonnege). The first US air dropped H-bomb was delivered by a BUFF during operation Redwing in 1956 and was a much smaller weapon in physical size (and megatonnage).

    Dear Member,

    The part about the BLU-82 is true. But in the early days Operation Commando Vault of clearing spaces for helicopters they used the 10,000 M121 without the tail section. They had a bunch of them left over due to the fact no aircraft could lift them after the B-36 was retired. The M121 proved to be unreliable and a lot of duds (ie after they had to helio in soldier to find the duds and blow them they added a second time fuse). Everyone involved in Commando Vault was happier than hell when the BLU-82 was at last shipped over. According to Colonel McGowan the BLU-82 was a modified propane tank and its slurry mixture of TNT/propane did a much better job of clearning landing zones than the 20 year old M121. And it was extremely reliable with according to his statements no duds.

    Also, according to McGowan the M121/BLU-82 dropping with TACAN (ie it never used the Nordan as reported in newspapers) system called “Skyspot” that also controlled the B-52 but they were more accurate than the B-52 drops of conventional bombs. During the battle of Hamburger Hill a drop was done to make an emergency helicopter LZ on a narrow ridge. The drop was only 12 meters off of the impact point! (btw, he stated that the C-130 crews called the Buff crews “Monkey Killers”) And also according to McGowan it was C-130/BLU-82 drops that really saved some South Vietnamese units from being overrunned during that ill fated operation into Laos.

    Finally, all this is told by McGowan (ie who basically was in charge of the whole C-130/M121 and BLU-82 drops and also pin point parachute resupply drops from high altitude, for almost five years) in a great but little read article in the October 1988 issue of Air Classic. If anyone knows how to get a release from Air Classic for a temporary permission I will gladly scan the article and post it.

    Jack E. Hammond

    NOTE> When McGowan was assigned a C-130 squadron in the Philippines to develop methods to drop the M121 he was assign a unit who was known by everyone else in the USAF as “F-troop” which was a TV comedy series about a US cavalry unit in the west who were f*ck ups.

    in reply to: The B-1A Dodo vs the B-1B Lancer #2565928
    jackehammond
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    Maybe you missed the part where they said repeatedly that the B-1 was filling the nuclear mission ONLY during Desert Storm. So no, no matter how good it was or is they weren’t going to use it unless they were going to be dropping nukes

    Dear Member,

    Sorry, but that is not true. The B-1B had been tested and could have done the conventional role. Many photos and video selling the B-1B showed it dropping conventional bombs. And I have had B-1B pilots state it was conventional ready from day-ONE.

    Please. The B-1B has a larger payload capacity than the B-1A. It’s max takeoff weight is 477,000lbs vs 395,000lbs of the B-1A. And how exactly did they “game congress for funds” when Reagan said it was his intent to restore the B-1 to production if he were elected president? No “gaming” necessary. They (the USAF) decided “how can we make this more useful” and made the changes.

    The B-1B was a heavier aircraft than the B-1A. It had nothing to do with the payload. The addition of stealth (ie which it actually wasn’t it was just a lower radar cross section). And Reagan more than gamed Congress to get it done. North American/Rockwell at that time actually used defense department funds to keep the B-1A active till Reagan got in. But after Reagan got in he killed the criminal investigation of that firm. And one way he got Congress to approve the funding (ie he did not have complete control of the US Congress as Bush does now) was that the B-1B was a stealth aircraft that could avoid radar. And all the pilots state doing away with the variable engine inlets and other feature made the B-1B less payload/range etc to the orginal B-1A. That was never used in Desert Storm and swtiched to Air National Guard prematurely.

    Jack E. Hammond

    NOTE> USNI Proceeding a very reputable defense publication and very pro-defense stated that the B-2 is switching to low-level penetration because its so called stealth has not been anywhere as good as they stated. Think of the money wasted.

    in reply to: TU-95 vs B-52 #2566852
    jackehammond
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    Wingspans….

    Tu-4 141 ft
    Tu-80 142 ft
    Tu-85 183 ft
    Tu-95 142 ft
    Tu-160 182 ft

    B-36 230 ft
    B-52 185 ft

    Hughes H-4 (Spruce Goose) 320 ft

    An-225 Mriya – 290 ft

    Ken

    Dear Ken,

    Thanks for the information. I will have to pile through a bunch of information, but an article called “The Billion Dollar Bomber” abut the development of the BEAR made the statement about the wings of one version they considered placing in production but did not. Pray for me. Because the last time I had to look up something it took three weeks to at last find it. =GRIN=

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: LTV CROSSBOW Pedestal Mounted Stinger #1814435
    jackehammond
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    Good article, though I disagree that the use of the Avenger is a waste – it has a great precision engagement system, allowing it to use its .50cal at great distances. I have heard few references to it being used for convoy escort though, I had only heard of them being used on an ad hoc basis. One of the major advantages of the Avenger is that it can, if needed, carry a rocket pod in place of one of the Stinger pods, allowing impressive instantaneous firepower with good accuracy.

    Dear Member,

    The AVENGER is extremely expensive and unarmored in comparison to other types of armored escort vehicles. It should not even have been in Iraq after the Spring of 2003. As to the rocket pod, that was also a Marine idea for taking out helicopters to close to the ground that could not be engaged with the Stinger. In tests it was shown not to work to well and the idea was discarded for the the AVENGER and the LAV-AD.

    Jack E. Hammond

    in reply to: TU-95 vs B-52 #2567622
    jackehammond
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    Another thing in the Bear’s book, 😮 the biggest bomb ever? 😮 however you may have been able to fit this thing inside a B-52, which you could not do with a Bear.

    Dear Member,

    I doubt you could fit it in the B-52. Remember the B-36 could drop those huge 10,000 and 20,000 bombs based on the Tallboy and GrandSlam but the B-52 could not which is why during the Vietnam War they ahd to parachute them out the back of a C-130.

    Jack E. Hammond

    NOTE> And none of the above is a statement that the Buff did not have a massive bomb carrying ability. But its internal bay severly restricted the length of any large bombs.

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