A Real Mystery Aircraft
Folks,
It seems that a British aircraft manufacture copied their idea for an assault glider, the Slingsby Hengist, from a obscure 1929 transport.
Seriously, anyone have a clue to the name of this aircraft. All I can tell is that it was made in Dayton, Ohio USA.
Jack E. Hammond
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Dear Al,
Thanks for identifying the French tailless trike.
Jack E. Hammond
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French 1934 Tailess Trike design
Folks,
This one has me totally stumped as to WOT it is. Below is link to a small 1934 article with a photo.
Jack E. Hammond
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Hi Al,
The Makhonine MAK-123 from France (1947) with the telescoping wings?If correct Open House please
Folks,
And here is another unusual item about the MAK-123 — ie it is one of the few four seaters with the crew seated in tandem like two seat trainers do. Why I have not a clue. And why four crew????
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
Thanks for the replies with the answers. Much appreciated. In a strange twist, Popular Mechanics and Popular Science never mentioned the manufacture or name, unless they had advertisement in the publication.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
Looking at the PopMech article link, if I were given the authority back the to pick one of the three designs to proceed with I would choose the Bell System with the kite type wing. It is the least complicated. And in an ejection the more you got to go wrong, the more that will probably go wrong. The one I can’t even believe they would consider was the one that is basically a gyro chopper.
Does anyone think the other two designs would stand a better chance than the Bell System.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
I don’t want this to become a cat fight. The following is a reply I received from a Vietnam War USN combat pilot. It is FYI for those interested. Some of the comments are a dig at one retired forum USN pilot member who literally hated the A-5 and they are good friends when not trying to kill each other when one makes the mistake of making fun of the Skywarrior pilots.
Jack E. Hammond
Jack:
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Kind-of-sort-of-both. The A3J program was developed as the nuke delivery aircraft to follow onto the Whale. We also needed an “bomb truck” that also had a nuke secondary mission to follow on to the AD and thus was born the A2F program. But as development showed the A3J/A-5 wasn’t going to work as a nuke (or at least very well) the A2F/A-6 became, defacto, the replacement for the Whale’s nuke mission in the SIOP.
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That being said, never let anyone claim the the words “Navy” and “flexibility” go together. The plan was that the A-5 would replace the A-3 in the Heavy Attack squadrons (VAH) and that the Intruder would replace the Spad in the Attack squadrons (VA) and thus it came to pass. To add to the fun, not all attack squadrons are created equal and only the A-1 squadrons became A-6 squadrons, the A-4’s were replaced by the A-7. So when a bubba said they were an attack guy, you had to figure out what they flying. Oh, and the Intruder community poached a lot of A-3 B/N’s when they started, as no one else was available who knew how to do the right-seat mission.
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So, the A-6 took the nuke mission on top of the all-weather mission from the A-3 and the heavy iron delivery missions from the A-1. The much-beloved Viggie became a recce asset and SLUF’s became flak-magnets.
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The Whale, of course, became a real jack-of-all-trades workhorse, flying tanker, mining, bomb delivery over lightly defended targets, tanker-jammer, ELINT/SIGINT and photo recce as well as OPFOR missions to 1991. The Intruder’s legacy is heroic. The Viggie looked good. Former Viggie aircrew frequently refer to themselves as “survivors.”
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Folks,
Thanks very much. I am surprised at the information posted in such a short time. Now, how many of you would be the first to test such an ejection seat for a million dollars? Not, ole Jack. Not me!
Jack E. Hammond
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Dear Matt,
We are getting off the technical subject of these weapons, but when it come to Iran, remember that it is not rational. One Iranian president in the past has stated that if they could strike Israel with one nuclear weapon in the Tel Aviv region it would be the end of Israel and they could afford to loose a number of Iranian cities and it would be worth it. And the present president of Iran, believes firmly that the 12 Hidden Imman is coming very soon and needs a little help: ie a lot like the Calvinists in the 17th century who started the 30 Years War.
And as one US general stated about the 1991 Gulf War: If Iraq had had one nuclear weapon they would still be occupying Kuwait.
Jack E. Hammond
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Note> The big danger about nuclear weapons in the Middle East is the not so secret Massada Option that Israel has adopted if they are ever hit by a nuclear weapon: the destruction of Mekka and Medina. Think about the post results.
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Folks,
This issue including Arclight has and is being discussed in USNI Proceeding which is a famous quasi-US Navy publication that has been around since the late 1800s. It is the largest naval publication in the Americas and 99.999% of the US Navy officers and many in the Pentagon read. Various factions of the US Navy want to convert old US SLBM to the conventional strike role and have wrote article on scenarios of strikes against Iran in which there are no US causalities and and all the identified and suspected Iranian nuclear faculties and long range ballistic missile faculties are destroyed. There are always letters and articles, including a very large one about three months ago with drawings and illustrations, which leads to letters from very senior and ex-Pentagon officials to the discussion section about what they say are the real dangers of sparking an accidental or for real nuclear reaction. And in some of those articles they have pointed out how touche the Russians are on this subject.
The problem is that the ballistic missiles with the range and trajectory (which could be launched from ships) that would not set off nuclear alarm bells were prohibited under that treaty during the Reagan presidency, in which the US destroyed its stock of Pershing II ballistic missiles. In fact there was a development of a Pershing II missile for a conventional strike against a harden command, airfield runways, etc. But by treaty they are prohibited. Other countries — ie China, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia — have ballistic missiles in this range category though: including Iran.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
I always wondered why countries like Brazil, France and India never bought old S-2 Tracker airframes and rebuilt them to the turbo model and fitted that air to air radar that the British use on the Sea King in that big inflatable bubble. Actually to the surprise of many the Sea Search radar has some advantages over the Hawkeye’s radar. Yes, the Hawkeye is the superior naval AEW aircraft system, but it is very big and very expensive. It can barely operate off the Charles DeGaulle. And while not perfect it would at least be some thing in a pinch – ie what the British would have done for just the old A-1 AEW aircraft operating off some old straight deck hook/cat carrier in 1982.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
Same reason they don’t convert some the US Navy D-5 Trident missiles to conventional weapons against harden targets (ie think Iran nuke facilities) by replacing the nuclear warheads with hard steel warheads. It would be a fast way to start an accidental nuclear war.
Jack E. Hammond
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Very nice. Thanks for the link and information.
Anyone know if the rbs 70 has actually been used in combat?
Dear Member,
Rumors only. In the Iran-Iraq War by Iran and by the Pakistanis in that attempt to move the truce line in Kashmir a while back. But since Venezuela has the RBS-70 and is trying to goad someone into a conflict with Columbia, I would bet soon it will not just be rumors. Venezuela has already supplied Swedish AT4s to some bad guys fighting Columbia (that is if the Columbians did not forge the lot numbers and Saab did not lie about the lot numbers, which is what I will bet Chevaz will claim).
Jack E. Hammond
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Dear Member,
Back in the 1980s I wrote one of the first articles on the RBS-70 in the US. Below is a link to page where I posted some of the photos and the over view manual of the RBS-70 which I think you will find of interest. Finally, Iran has the RBS-70 which they obtained during the Iran-Iraq War. It is one of the enduring mysteries of how they did.
Jack E. Hammond
http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
Underwater torpedo tubes? :confused:
And I seriously doubt the Iranians are planning on suicide speed boats, 20mm guns on typhoon mounts and phalanx would put them on the bottom quick smart.
Dear Member,
You have to have a good sighting at a good distance to prevent an attack by a number of semi-submersibles. It is a threat that according to the publication that ever USN officer reads, USNI Proceedings, is taking seriously.
Jack E. Hammond
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