I have a hunch that this kit will be just like the F19 Stealth fighter kits you could get in the early 80’s!
Not looking like the real thing at all…
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Dear Diablo,
Back in the 1980s a very influential publication in Washington DC, USA, Armed Force Journal International, covered defense committee hearings and had article on those dull hearings. Most newspapers ignored those hearings. At one Senate committee hearing an Ast-Secretary of Defense was being grilled about the fact that a model company knew what the new stealth fighter F-19 looked like and held the model up. The Ast-Secretary of Defense (he was in charge of advance technologies I believe) stated to the Senator “Senator, That looks like nothing I have ever seen.” The Senator of course believed he was just being evasive. Not realizing he was tell the exact truth!
Finally, about 7 months before the first pictures of the F-117A were released I was on assignment at the Association for the US Army (AUSA) convention which is the biggest arms convention in the USA at that time. I knew another reporter by the name of Nick Nicholas and he stated he had the inside scoop from someone who had seen the stealth fighter and showed me a drawing. It looked like a turtle with wings with a lot of flat sides like a diamond. I told him, “It won’t fly Nick and a radar would pick it up in an instant!” I did not realize that that drawing with the flat sides was actually the concept and from a far distance probably looked that way.
Jack E. Hammond
BTW> The above is from memory of over 25 years of a now 60 year old man.
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Folks,
A small item. Last month a Lebanese Army Gazelle flew over Hezbollah territory in south Lebanon and was shot down. Hezbollah made it clear it was no accident or mistaken ID.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
This is a 1930s idea to deal with torpedo bombers. It didn’t work in practice during WW2.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
I know most of you are going to find this a simplistic statement, but one of the major reasons that the UK was able to retake the Falklands was because some Argie naval ordnance sailor when he cleaned the umbilical power cords connections to the German built submarines reversed the wires.
Jack E. Hammond
PS> Have fun chopping my head off for such a stupid statement.
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Dear Member,
Japan has bought the 35mm system and it is in production in other nations. Also the one barrel 35mm version is becoming popular. Mainly because of the AHEAD round.
One of the reasons that Oerlikon cut back was that the Breda 40mm and the Bofors L70 Trinity mount won out with its special programmable proximity round. With naval mounts, ammo storage is not a problem and on warships the provide for mounting below the deck for storage. And what ever the advantages of the 35mm round a 40mm round will always pack a bigger punch. But it is a heavier mount always remember.
Finally, Oerlikon with a German firm has developed a 30mm AHEAD round. But it will pack a heck of a lot less in tungsten pellets than a 35mm round.
Jack E. Hammond
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Ref: Retirement of TARAWA
Folks,
I can not understand this. If anything the US needs every amphibious warship it has. And the TARAWA is still one of the most modern in the world for its mission. I have a feeling this is because 20,000 sailors were dragooned for basically infantry jobs in Afghanistan (mainly convoy escort and bomb disposable).
If anything offer it to one of our NATO allies who state they want to be able to deploy forces better in UN missions, etc. HELL give it to the Brits. It is a far better carrier than the Invincible class could ever dream of.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
Was there any attempt by the US government to allow the British government to purchase one of its carriers it was retiring in 1978 for One Dollar? Just wondering. Because it would see it would have been in the interest of the US government to give every encouragement to the UK keeping those F-4K and Buccaneers on a conventional carrier.
Jack E. Hammond
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i read about this also, a shipping protection company from Dorset, it said they were very brave and used all there ammo before jumping ship-not saying you can blame them, no private job is worth dying for, but do you think the company who’s ship they were on gets a refund?
I’m intrigued what the pirates use the vast sums of money they get from ransoms on, i can’t say i know anything about the situation in the country. I heard the ship carrying tanks has had the ransom arranged and is close to being released
Dear Member,
There “ammo” was a water cannon. And there were only three on the ship. That is way to few. You need a minimum of ten if you want some to get a sleep break, etc. Also to keep an eye out on the crew. Many of these Somalia hijackings I will bet are inside jobs with the crew sending info.
Finally, the pirates are in for the money. Not to get killed. If one one or two ships you put a much larger guard unit with a lot of firepower they will really think about it. Especially if you mount dummy heavy machine gun mounts on ships (ie pipe and sheet metal and an arc welder). A lot cheaper method than all the money we are spending now chasing our tails.
Jack E. Hammond
PS> A classic example are the British Indiemen merchants that plied the SEA trade routes. Moro pirates learned plenty fast to steer clear of them.
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Folks,
It seems that the Somalia pirates are even getting more brazen. They just took another ship that was part of a group of 17 that a German frigate was giving quasi escort to (ie it was just escorting one but 16 others tag along hoping for protection) to. It seems the German frigate sent its Lynx helicopter to investigate and follow the pouched ship and the pirates fearing boarding from the helicopter used an ole Moro pirate trick of the 1800s — ie they made three crew members jump into the water forcing the helicopter to rescue them and forget the hijacked ship. Also, I don’t think the German Navy will use lethal force no matter what, unless the warship itself is in peril and the pirates know the difference between navies use of lethal force.
I have given this problem a lot of consideration. And it seems that there are now two options: Pay the pirates or send very expensive warships (in hardware, manning and logistic cost) to patrol or a third option. The third option I believe would be to put guards with heavy weapons (50 caliber machine guns, etc) on each ship having to pass through the area. Now you will say that is expensive also. Yes it is, if you use French Marines or US Marines, etc. But not if we can get Egypt to supply the merchant guards. And by that I mean pay them (ie NATO, India, etc offer military aid and loans, etc). To wit, the UN Security Council pass an authorization allowing certain nations to provide guards to ships no matter their flagging and the right to arrest and put them on trial no matter their nationality.
It would work like this. At one end would be the Suez Canal. At the other end a nation would provide a bunking/logistic ship that also provides boats to ferry the merchant guard squads out to the ships. As a ship enters the Suez Canal going south one of these ten man squads would be put on board with bolt on mounts for their heavy machine guns and other weapons (and special grenades for throwing over the side against boarders). As they pass through the danger zone further south they would go to the area where the ship I mentioned is sailing and the guards would be taken off. And ships going north would pass this ship and take on a guard unit. It would be a continuous loop, with guard units resting after making a trip south and then north to the canal.
A lot cheaper than having expensive major warfighting naval warships wasting their time. Although there would have to be some warships for quick reaction in case the pirates decide to take out the logistic/bunking ship and just to make them not get to big an idea.
Pirates have on distinct disadvantage. Their small boats make terrible firing platforms for accurate fire, while large merchant and tankers are extremely stable firing platforms. In fact army snipers with must 7.62mm rifles can be a hazard to pirates in small high speed boats.
Jack E. Hammond
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Folks,
The best all around practical and cost effective option for medium size patrol warships combating anti-piracy and other low level naval threats is that GDM-A 35mm twin turret that Oerlikon has been offering for years that while can have a man in the turret aiming it can also be remotely operated — a lot of navies in the 1970s and 1980s bought them for small warships patrolling near coast lines or where a lot of islands were present realizing they need a man-in-loop weapon. It allows for about any situation at the right price. For engaging those small high speed boats that pirates use it can either fire HE with quick fuzes that explode as soon as they hit any surface including water or the AHEAD round with range information given either by a portable laser range finder on the bridge or the bridges radar to program the rounds just before firing.
Other options are either two large and expensive, or the range at which they are effective can bring them within the pirates own weapons (ie a 14.5 or 12.7 machine gun has a good a range as a 25mm cannons effective accurate range). Also, .50 cal to 30mm cal weapons rely on a direct hit where a 35mm round with either a quick fuze HE or an AHEAD “shot gun” round does not so aiming offsets due to sea states are not as critical.
Finally, the Oerlikon 35mm cannon and rounds are in wide spread production making cost lower and spares easier to acquire. And the 35mm turret I mention bolts to the deck and does not require any cutting of the deck for a below magazine — ie all it needs is a power hook up.
Jack E. Hammond
BTW> No longer in production, but the old manually aimed and loaded 3 inch DP cannon that was mounted on escorts firing modern quick fuze rounds or proximity rounds (they explode right on the surface and proved devastating in the Korean War against NK PT boats) would be a very effective weapon. But as I said, they are no longer in production.
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Just some? 😀
Severnoye’s current portfolio has new small ship designs and revamped older large ship designs. But I agree about the difference in design and building.
Dear Member,
The reason is the French BPC (LHD) Mistral and built it indigeneously is a great design/concept for navies other than a super power like the US. The MISTRAL is designed to operate at long distances and for long periods of time without basing. And with a good comfort level for the crew and any troops on board to keep mutinies to down.
It is something the USN in fact should look into so it does not have to use the more expensive TARAWA and WASP class to have a presence in areas like Somalia, etc.
Finally, imagine the Russians decide to get “really” serious about the pirates in Somalia. What amphibious ship could they send which would not need basing support at some port. If you get a chance read about the MISTRAL and you will understand as to why it would be perfect in protecting Russian trade and other interest overseas. Why design one from scratch when they can just pay a fee and get the blue prints?
Jack E. Hammond, USA
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Interesting on how high the stern is………
Dear Members,
In the 1980s I always wondered why the USN did not have cruisers like the VITTORIO VENITO with the cruisers doing the air defense and helicopter ASW role for the larger conventional carriers. I discovered years later that while it looks like a great arrangement that is used by those two Italian cruisers, most of what I read stated it does not work to well on large warships (with a large deck on the stern and hanger space). One, the back part of the warship is where it is pitching up and down a lot and two it seems that the forward part creates winds and other type of air forces that cause landings to be a problem. The main reason that the Spruance class and Ticos have that landing deck located more near the middle of the ship.
The Russians took this type of design for a non amphibious helicopter carrier with the MOSKVA and they built only two, realizing the problem of the design and switching to the KIEV class. According to some Jane’s publications it was a bear to operate its helicopters unless the warship was going at a very slow speed due to the wind conditions its’ high super structure created across the flight deck in the rear.
Jack E. Hammond

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DJ – PS: Jack, Egypt will be very concearned as more and more shipping companies choose to go long way around.. however they do not have capacity to get involved them self.. best they can do is champion the cause at the UN and push for tougher international action from naval powers.
Dear Member,
Egypt has the ability to get involved. In fact it would be better as they have much lower manpower cost and the type of vessels needed for the patrol work. They just don’t want to because they know we will. Sort of like Saudi Arabia not even imposing a call up of former soldiers and limited conscription in 1990-1990 even though there nation was in extreme peril and allowing their troops to cross into one inch of Iraqi territory.
Finally, the nation that should have a lot of patrol boats in that region that is not stepping up the the plate is Greece. While many of the ships are flagged with either Panama or Liberia they are owned by Greek companies and have a lot of Greek officers.
Jack E. Hammond
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Naah. You just put more profit into the hands of Afar & Issa overland traders. Expect a sudden rush of trucks (especially 4WDs) into Djibouti, & a lot more bales coming into Djibouti port from Yemen. 😀
Dear Member,
How much do you know about the market for Qat and why they fly it in. That would be my reply.
Jack E. Hammond
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Dear Members,
I know some you will howl, but the British RN should have bought either F-18s or Rafaels and had the French yard build versions of the de Gaulle only with a UK reactor. If they had, they would now have two aircraft carriers. As one British general once stated “A battalion in a week can be far more important than a division in two months.”
Jack E. Hammond
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