I chose my name Duxfordhawk for here partly due to the age of the Hawk, It first flew in 1974 and i was born the same year, I must admit it is looking a bit better for its age.
Just for general information the first Hawk entered service for the RAF in 1976, Yes its not a new design nor is the F-15,F-16,Harrier,Tornado etc but i am not sure they are historic either, But thats a debate for another thread and not for this one.

i have fond memories of the ’10 years of the Hawk in RAF service’ party that BAe threw for us at RAF Valley. lots of barrels of beer, a bit of bunting, and an empty aircraft hangar.
lets just say that the towing team the next morning were rather subdued!

spotted the remains of a crashed aircraft on two low loaders on the A11 thetford bypass today, in a police escort.

was covered in tarps, but was very muddy looking and light grey, so i wonder if it was the remains of that Tonka that went down in the wash.

You might save a few quid but after doing rebuild work on any old “E”s, I doubt if you’d save much time.
I would suppose any E models at AMARC would be very well used…

the ammount of work to convert to ‘K’ spec would be phenomenal, and not financially worth it.
you could fit a second hand ‘E’ model with all the avionics and special kit, but to make it a ‘K’ you’d have to change all the floor boards, floor beams, end fittings and chine caps as the tie down fitting are different on RAF ‘k’ models.
this was looked into when the Austrians bought a couple of ex RAF aircraft, and found to be way, way too expensive to put the aircraft back to ‘E’ spec floors.

I have mentioned it here several times and tried to get a campaign going but to be trueful there seemed to be no great urge from others to save it, I was very fond of this pub and at least 3 others that have been destroyed in the croydon area in recent years, It seems no amount of campaigning would have saved them.
In the case of The Propeller i tried but alone i could not do much.

fair enough, i didn’t realise you’d tried before.

i think its easy to get personal about something historic locally, and perhaps not see the larger picture.
to you its of great historical importance, to others it may just be a pub some pilots used.

Did you mean this one?

(De Havilland Dh.91 Albatross)

thats the kiddie!…my mistake, i just remembered its name and correct age, and i came back to post.

itn’t it beautiful, just imagine one of those gracing our skies again!

i have to admit to thinking if it was that important, why wait until its being knocked down to mention it. if its been empty or derelict for a couple of years then there was ample time to get a campaign going.
at the end of the day, you can’t save every bit of heritage.

For short landing, at least, it has a reverse thrust system…

About the fuel issue, my own books tell me the internal capacities are:

IDS: 5814 litres
ADV: 7114 litrres

Hope that helps… 🙂

My two cents: With all the due respect for the nationals whose air forces bought the beast, I find those fuel capacities somewhat “weak” for a twin engined aircraft, I’d have asked for somethig like 40% to 50% more… 😮

Apart from that I really dig the plane, ‘coz it’s a really neat “bombs truck”… 🙂

if you look at the bit i quoted from Schorsch, he says the ADV has 5100kg’s of internal fuel, with the IDS having even less….. so he was wrong.

the trust reverse you mention is the main method of braking when landing,(the wheel brakes only provide 25% of the braking), so if it fails, they have to drop the arrester hook to stop safely.

i was there ’84 to ’87.
whilst i’m interested in aircraft, i’ve not got any spotter in me, so hardly took any photo’s , and certainly didn’t write down ant tail numbers!:)
in those days when a fair proportion of my collegues were FLMS’s, to be caught doing anything that might have been interpreted as being a bit spotterish was to be condemned to a life of ridicule!

also it was very bussy there, and we had all sorts of stuff from all over nato, quite often old stuff you thought had gone out of service years before!
stuff like sea devons, T.33’s, beavor’s and the previously mentioned meteors.
although no one really took any notice of the old stuff, but if you had something new, flashy and american in, the pan would be heaving with spotters and student pilots!