what’s the news here??? it happened before again and again. Russia sells a fighter to China then China produces indigenous model. After couple more years it sells these planes for a fraction of the price tag of original to really poor countries. Who thought it will be different for Su-27 🙂 We might soon see a “navalized” J-11 too.

However, I agree nowadays it is a little bit different since China has gained substantial technological know-how and economical resources. I don’t think we will see China buying any weapons from another country in big sums. They can produce almost every equipment an army needs.

This is the most expensive base on the world. If the figures are true, Ukraine will have more than 4billion$ indirectly every year which is a great deal for them.

Su-27.

Isn’t this really simple??

As of 2010, for 187 F-22, USA has spent ~65 billion$: 1 F-22 costs ~350 million dollars to taxpayers.

For EF,

In 2003 UK said the cost will be 20billion pounds (30 billion $) for 160 aircraft. So for UK citizens EF costs 200 million$ a piece.

If one compare R-77 dimesions (20cm diameter ) or R-27 (~25cm) to that of the probable weapons bays (~1meter), will see that PAK-FA can carry 8 of them easily. 6 will be a huge surprise to me.

Also, I cannot believe people are looking these pictures, drawings and claiming engine can be seen from front. But hey, love can make a person blind 😀

yes.

I tried to put up some data on the 3 generations of engine within AL-31 family , the data on the new 117 ( sfc/service life etc) is not known

AL-31FP —> Su-30MKI ( 4 + ) link

AL-31FP specifications:

T/W ~ 8:1

AL-31 ( 117C ) —> Su-35S ( 4++ ) link

AL-31(117S) specifications:

Full afterburning thrust,kgf 14,000 Normal / 14,500 Combat mode
Specific fuel consumption.min.kg/kgf.h 0.67
Weight,kg 1520
Length,m 4.99
Inlet diameter,m ~ 0.93
T/W ~ 9:1

AL-31 ( 117 ) —> PAK-FA( 5th Gen )link

AL-31(117) specifications:

Full afterburning thrust,kgf 15,000
Specific fuel consumption.min.kg/kgf.h 0.67
Weight,kg 1370 (1)
Length,m 4.99
Inlet diameter,m ~ 0.93
T/W ~ 10:1

Nice summary, tnx.

This is getting too easy, Foxmulder. All we need now is our eyeballs and a reference point 😉

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🙂

I know dude… After that picture, there is even no need to discuss.