You are not even reading correctly. What part of “the fuselage alone ca 20% longer, not the whole aircraft” don’t you understand?

The overall length of the J-20 might only be slighly more than the one of the F-22 but it’s because of F-22’s horizontail tails and the way they are mounted… The Raptor has the engines located much more in the center with the control surfaces mounted on the very rear edge to provide more efficient authority – it is a design obviously more suited for agile maneuvers than the J-20 which looks more like a high-speed interceptor.

Wow, you can run super computer simulations in you head. That’s admirable. 🙂

I am glad at least you are not claiming J-20 is larger than Su-34 (you know 24meter would have made it bigger than Su-34 🙂 ). That’s progress.

You can include or exclude whatever you want in your measurements. The length of J-20 at max 5% more than F-22 and at around 21meters.

Wing span is probably a little bit longer than F-22, too.

The body length is probably larger than F-22 but 20% difference is not possible. We can exclude length of the radar dome, too if you want 😉

If you want to claim an aircraft with ~21m length, ~14m wing span which has canards and wing area comparable to F-22 as an interceptor, go for it 😀 That is cool by me 🙂

This forum never lets you down 🙂

There were people here who said “if it is shorter than 22m, I will eat my shoes”. Now, it is apparent the thing is less than 21m, people start to talk about wing span/length ratio to claim J-20 cannot be an air-superiority fighter.

J-20 creates the illusion of being “big” because of the delta wing, canards and small vertical tails. That simple really.

If J-20 had the tails of F-22 and the wing configuration was similar to F-22, it would have been very visible to almost anyone that it is very comparable to F-22 size vise.

My estimate for length / span ration is around ~1.5 which gives ~14m for wing span.

The platform it is resting on is still pretty ridiculous. Is it still parading around China for theater purposes?

12m length…probably a carrier trainer. Not likely to be a “stealth aircraft”

You are a gem man. Don’t ever stop posting, big fan here 😀 As I wrote previously this is a prob-trainer! 😉

Apparently, paralay didn’t get the memo about 12 meters max length. Shame…

From CDF:

http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XNDIxMTkwNTg4/v.swf

It is definetly a mock-up :p :diablo:

‘J-21’ is probably going to look very similar to the AMCA, or vice versa, but there is a cautionary note in that such break-neck speed development may be susceptible to the pitfalls of ‘trying to run before you can walk’ as happened with their bullet train. Anyways, good luck to them.

OT: I guess you are referring the high speed train accident. Points about high speed trains in China:
1) The accident was not on a new line designed for 350km/h+ speeds. It was only an upgraded line.
2) Following decisions about high speed trains had a lot to do with politics/corruption rather than technology and its implementation.
3) My personal view is China cannot find a better place to spend its money on high speed rail or generally infrastructure with its huge population.
4) I think speed decrease that is decided following the accident (from 350km/h to 300km/h) will eventually be reversed.
5) Development is still continuing and I expect the new test train, so called crh500, to break speed records like its predecessors.

I completely think other way: there is no way a mock-up would have been carried this way. I have almost no doubt this is a real aircraft fuselage. It doesn’t have engines, lacks many control surfaces, canopy and what else who knows… so it is not that heavy at all. Even it was at full weight it can be carried at an angle. They can take 9g but not a road trip? 🙂 It is very probably we are looking at 2nd stealth aircraft from China.

indeed, it could have a mechanically scanned one inside instead.

That was my point 🙂