China could overtake Russia on few show-off projects massively financed by the government but it’s hardly sustainable on the long run. A project that can’t survive on the market is just a money sinkhole. I can’t see a situation where an export customer aiming to spend large amounts of money on high tech equipment would willingly choose Chinese over French, American or Russian. Although Chinese exports to 3rd world countries might rise, Chinese arms industry will remain largely dependant on domestic economics and domestic orders for the upcoming future.

The Chinese on the forum might not realize it but the country’s population of 1.3bn is a heavy burden for the economy. It will take zillions to make them up onto an economically active level.. I don’t want to sound rude but the figures our marketing department use with their analyses are pretty harsh – for the automotive and consumer goods industry, Chinese market is worth some 100-120mil people wealthy enough to afford the basic basket of goods typical for an average Western citizen.. That’s just under 10%..

For comparison, imagine that current ca 160mil economically active Americans would have to pull a population worth over 1.8bil instead of current 300+mil.

I want to first point out, I am not Chinese.

Your info seems a little bit outdated. For many markets, China started to even pass USA.

Anyway, it is not the point. The point is the growth. Let’s assume the number you gave, ~120 million who live like westerners is accurate. 10 years ago that number was around 30 million, 20 years ago it was 5 million.

Every economic projections indicates China will be the biggest market for almost everything in very close future.

Moreover, using these figures to say Chinese military products depends on Chinese Army is pointing the obvious. This is true for even mighty US military industry. Don’t forget US military industry is at that level because of MONEY. USA has been the biggest spender for almost 70-80 years. So, what we see here is very natural.

I dont want to be rude but in all honesty saying “China could overtake Russia on few show-off projects massively financed by the government but it’s hardly sustainable on the long run.” is nowhere close to being objective.

Like it or not, right now, China can produce literally anything their Army needs. Sure one can point out engine purchases but still this is although important not really significant when you look at the big picture. Especially when you see ws-10. And I cannot help but wonder what will you guys say when J-20 starts to fly with ws-15. Are you guys going to accept China caught Russia??

I see China as one of the significant powers. Baring some crazy crises, it will be the largest economy in a decade and this will probably meant it will have a comparable military spending to USA at that time which IMHO probably will be much larger than what Russia can spend. Even now, It has the second largest budget. This will reflect on the capabilities.

Ws-15 and Al-41 are both around at same level of development. so if you believe the targeted specs of ws-15 once it is produced and put on J-20. There will be no gap at all.

This discussion depends on whether you believe China can produce ws-15 or not. If you believe, then, certainly, there is not a significant capability gap. If you don’t, then China is backwards.

From what I see, I tend to believe that China can put ws-15 on J-20 in 3 to 5 years.

SAC is not its own company. China only has 1 state-owned aviation company that makes all the military aircraft and weapons and electronics and engines, and that is AVIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Aviation_Industry_Corporation

I bet there is cut throat competition between SAC and CAC.

not sure why you are offended the Chinese didn’t copy Russian helicopters.

China does not operate Mi-26.

It does operate three of them. Number is expected to increase.

Except the empty weight, nothing is surprising for me.

I was talking about flying ones, obviously.

So, active Su-27 (all derivatives) and Mig-31 totals to 400?

Oh, a whole flock of birds in front of you on a glossy airplane porna and you can’t even count. How many airplanes with WS-10 needs to be in one picture before you declare them to be finally in operation?

also,
pretty funny I got my english corrected by an Indian ( I presume).
you may speak 2 languages pretty well, and love to use alot of words.
but apparently value of those words summed up to pretty much very little.
learn the value of Essence and Form. you just may may learn something.

also kiddos learn to count first. that;s some basic stuff.

and why am I getting accused of being jingoistic? I patiently present facts and those facts are contrary to some of you guys entrenched beliefs. and what happened? snarky comments gets thrown around.

Is this the best you guys can do?

i.e., you are a cool guy, most of what you are saying show you are knowledgeable but you should have known better when you see a pointless discussion 🙂