If you don’t mind I will come to tell you why esitmating size via that truck is unaccurate and that will be massive deviasion.
First, perspective angle to be considered is impossible, not even estimate it.
2nd, included angle generated by truck and that aircraft was not considered, not even estimated also.
These two angles are being there certainly and if the error caused by those go to conversly direction, then we get lucky, but if the directions they went to are same, the the deviasion will be tremendously huge.
Naturely, the deviasion could be middle between to extrems of them, so the 20 looked is not an unbelievable data, but with nothing fixed.However, as one can see, what I done is set limit from two sides, and to eliminate those impossible region, then we get a reckonable interval.
The diameter of engine which amounted on J-20 larger than D30F formed impossible region at right side, and left quadrant is limited between zero to the diameter of engine which MiG-29, JAS-39 alike equiped.It is not hard to find an upview photo of Gripen to coincide with same angled MiG-31. If you compress that J-20 pic ratio equalled to Gripen or Rafale, what a funny it will be?
Besides, there is a photo showed a group of people stand around J-20 in which focul point is that main wheel with several people aside so we can see excatly the height of that wheel really is almost taller than a man’s hip, same at least. It is a huge jetfighter since Tu-128 and Yak-250.
I dont know what you are trying to imply but I will tell you this: J-20 is definitely not bigger than a Flanker.
No.
And even if they do, they won’t be allowed to sell it to air forces unless government policy changes.
I think there is a huge chance that the policy may change.
source? you are not confusing natural gas for oil are you?
on something related
Venezuela surpasses Saudi Arabia for oil reserves.pakfa for venezuela? :diablo:
In 2010, Russia was #1 for both.
Best looking cargo plane ever… 😀
This f-117 discussion is really really boring…. come on guys back to J-20….
Well, simple really. CAC and SAC hate each other’s guts. SAC is not going to release a J11 for CAC to test their new toys on, and even if they did, I doubt CAC would be happy about letter SAC get that close to their newest toys.
The J10B would be used to test out the ‘back-end’ of the radar. The J20’s would get a bigger antenna, but the integration work would be a lot quicker and smoother if the back-end systems has already been thoroughly tested, debugged and improved.
That would make sense if the J10B came after the J20. Of course it won’t be the exact same bits of equipment, but the J10B could easily be used to test and develop the key technologies and theories underpinning the new generation radar and avionics.
Once you have cracked the key technical bottlenecks of being able to make the different systems work individually and as an integrated whole, upsizing it all to fit into a much larger airframe with more power and space would be a doddle in comparison.
The first few J20 prototypes will be used for aerodynamic testing, so that will keep all the airframe guys at CAC busy analyzing the data and developing refinements. The aircraft will be so stuff full of testing equipment there would not be a chance to test the avionics suit on the planes.
That leaves all the radar and avionics guys a bit idle while the airframe guys work out what the final configuration would be and the manufacturing guys make some pre-production airframes. Only then will the avionics guys get to put their wares on the J20, but that could easily be 5 years down the line from now or more.
In the meantime, they could focus their time and energies developing, testing and refining the core technologies on the J10B, then applying the lessons learned from that experience on what will go into the J20. That way, the first batch of radar and avionics to go into the plane will already be fairly mature tech and should have a lot less integration and performance issues than if there were putting it all together for the first time. That might shave a good few years off of the development timeframe. On top of that, the PLAAF gets a pretty damn fine J10B out of if.
Since money is not an issue, there really is no downside to doing things this way that I can see of.
Well, aren’t the “electronic guys” (possibly Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology or whatever the leading radar design house) independent from both SAC and CAC?
I mean, even if SAC was the winner, radar would have come from Nanjing. So J-11B might be a test bed too.
It is a nice looking helicopter.
My estimates for dimension and weight, put this in same class as Mangusta. I would say its empty weight is around 2.5 tons and full weight is around 4.5 tons. Probably it can carry 8 anti tank missiles plus two rocket pods.
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Well, people have been commenting how amazing the J-20s finish looks, I was simply referencing that phenomenal paint. I am sorry that not everyone feels the need to laud the amazing J-20 in ever post, I apologize for hurting your feelings. Nice of you to ignore the actual question, regarding inlet geometry.
However apparently pointing out potential missing paint = pointing out design failure. Ok guys. Whatever you say.
You didnt hurt my feelings, dont worry. On contrary it was really funny 🙂 You tried to make fun of the quality of the finish and failed, it is soooo obvious.
Don’t put words in my mouth, where did I say it was a design fault? Back it up please.
hahahaaa what a joke..
explain what does “some of the superb-finish paint came off apparently” mean?
Who said anything about design fault? Stop being so defensive man!
I was more interested in what those marks implies in terms of inlet structure.
Dont try to retract.. “Saying paint is off because of low quality labor/design”, wow 🙂 funny..
So it could be said that using two mistakes, first in logic, second in physics, you’ve probably came to the right conclusion.
🙂 good one… :diablo:
It looks like this is the one with domestic engines, WS-10G???
Why do you think Russia is so angry and is menacing to stop supplying quite a few things to China starting with engines for its JF 17 ?
It was China stop purchasing. Russia still offers many things, even Su-35.
Pinko,
I remember this table from a few years back (Attached image)
So is it correct to say :
WS-10 – 12,800 kgf (Also called FSW-10 and is used in the J-11B/BS/BH/BSH)
WS-10A – 13,200 kgf
WS-10B – 13,500 kgf & TVC
WS-10G – At least 14,500 kgf (maybe 15,500 kgf & 3D TVC)All the above are by Shenyang?
Xian : WS-9 QinLing, QinLing-2, WS-15
As far as I know, WS-10 is only used in early J-10 prototypes. Right now, J-10B, J-11 planes are using WS-10A (13,200kg) version.