Not going to happen at all. First of all most of those countries named are still going to need tech from the US and that goes against US law in regards to China. Which brings up most of those countries can’t do it without the US. Also, take away macro rivals like China and you still have little rivalries between who’s left.

exactly. we’re read of Indian fighters crashing because they get published. on the other hand, PLAAF attrition figures are never open and the only time (apart from earlier when I’d read about a Su-30MKK crash) I’ve really read a reputed source talk of it was in this snippet.

I’ve heard of a few PLAAF crashes but nothing like half as you say. Just because India crashes theirs, China has to be the same or worse? You sound like you come from MIG23/FLOGGER land. I didn’t hear you admitting India has Flanker pilot problems. Also I’ve read bragging that Indian pilots get more hours flying. What does that say?

Actually E also stands for Eight. I think the plane you are referring to chasing the Chinese market is the B747-8.

Actually “E” stood for a word I can’t remember that described this new generation of passenger aircraft. I rememebr watching it on the news before it became “787.” Later they changed it to “8” because they thought it would make it more appealing to the Chinese market.

Here’s an article I found. “E” stood for “efficiency.” Yeah, I know… weird. I knew it was something like that. First thing that popped in my head was “economic.”

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2005/q1/nr_050128g.html

but what about the attrition figures? quite high for a new type like the Su-27 dont you think? and 4 Su-27s in the past 6 months ? why is this never heard of anywhere else?

Sorry I don’t know the figures on how many of the Su-27s China still has left and as a result of lack of pilot training. It’s still suspicious how these Western sources get this information when the West always complains that China isn’t transparent. But it seems India has the same problem. I hear and read about their Flankers crashing all the time too. The Indians accuse the Russians of bad quality while the Russians say it’s because of bad Indian pilots.

Who knows? There might have been talks that later failed on various reasons (price, conditions etc.)

I personally don’t see the sale of J-10 to IRIAF so unrealistic. I have always expected either J-10 or some weaker variant of Su-30 to reach Iranian inventory, sooner or later. I would not be very surprised if Iranians actually purchased both types.. Might take some years, though..

I didn’t say it wasn’t possible. I just find the whole thing odd especially the Russians helping the competition with selling their fighters. The Pakistan JF-17 deal is a whole different animal since India is Russia’s ally and they don’t normally sell to the smaller shrimps in the sea who fought against them into a huge geo-political defeat, i.e. Afghanistan. And if China did export J-10s, it would mean China’s next generation J-10 or J-XX is about to be introduced. I don’t think they’re at that point yet.

Repeating yourself again? I thought you were so upstanding to wait for the facts. Now you flip-flop again and again asserting those articles that say there was a sale.

Nationalism is when you raise the alarm bells on everything over a rival you clearly already have a problem with in the first place. Sounds like you and your insecurity over China.

I love it. Now the only press in the world is in Russia. What happened to the Israeli press you hid behind. Western news reported that China was going to buy those bombers too. So are you delusional in believing the Russian media is the only reliable source of information in the entire world. Now you back track and defend a dictatorship in Russia. Hide behind democracy and that doesn’t work. Now you hypocritically hide behind Russia’s dictatorship and media as if it has integrity. You’re just goose-stepping those feet into your mouth all the time.

Now you’re imagining things. Who’s the one that digressed into a child, “My government is better than your government.” The only whining and pouting seems to come from you. Since you keep posting the same articles over and over again and I’ve pointed out the press gets it wrong which you just seem to ignore, i.e. the Russian bombers for China. You can’t even touch that one because we know China has no Russian long range bombers and for you to dare to comment would mean to admit that you were wrong that the press always gets it right. That’s why you’re avoiding it. You’re in denial.

And who’s the one that has no proof that China sold J-10s to Iran? You’ve completely moved away from your original argument that started it all because you have no proof. Avoid also the question why would Russia help the competition sell it fighters? And don’t try to steal flex’s point about Pakistan and the JF-17 when Pakistan is Russia’s thorn in its side during the Afghan war while to contrary Iran is their major customer. Avoid how would it be a threat if Iran had J-10s which you seemed to have been whining about from the very beginning when the US is right in between.

I never said the J-10 had no help from anyone. Go back and read the posts again unless the truth is just too much to bear. We already know you’re in denial. Why not everything else? See now you’re changing your story in face of the truth. I already said the Russians helped. You’re the one that said it was a copy of the Lavi which it by size alone and nothing inside is Western says the opposite. Get your story straight, child.