Hell KingAnd of Kashmir is a wonderful example of benevolent imperialism of India. LOL!!!!!
I just read an article in Asia Times that said India fought against apartheid in South Africa. Bull!
Hell KingAnd apparently you don’t read well either since I never said China was a model of virtue which you based everything upon in your post.
Hell KingYes, they had to defend themselves from Tibet, India, Vietnam and Taiwan, plus defend the peace-loving sealife of the Spratleys from exploitation from those countries with a legitimate claim to them.
Please, don’t insult our intelligence by claiming that China is somehow blameless.
It plays the same geopolitics as the rest of the major powers, and if it thought it could have got away with it without US intervention would have invaded and conquered Taiwan by now.
China is no more a paragon of diplomatic virtue than the US, France, Russia, the UK or US. It plays the same power play politics as they have.
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An don’t insult the world’s intelligence with your paranoid spin of world events. Today many of the countries that claim the Spatleys are in cooperation to co-develop. Of course in your revisionist history, China has never been attacked or wronged especially by your side. And you think where you come from is clean and innocent. More revisionist history as usual.
Never said China is some sort of model of virtue. That’s your limited black and white logic telling you that and not me. That’s why China is a threat because it doesn’t fit in your limited black and white box where you think you’re the good of the universe and if someone dares not to follow blindly what you order them to do, it must because they’re evil. The only people that would disobey the orders of the good have to be evil. People like you want the world to think the only way is your way. China just shows no one has to do it your way. So if people don’t follow you blindly thinking your way is the only way, it means your side loses power and influence over the world. And where you come from, it means you see countries passing you by because you were foolish enough to follow that system. You thought your standing was safe and everyone else was stuck below you. China’s destroying that system where late-comers fall in back of the line and aren’t a threat to you. Those ahead in line get first share of the goods while everyone in back end up with left-overs and crumbs. I can see why you’re so protective of that system.
I especially love how your side wants to establish onto the world the countries that speak the English language get more than those that don’t. Of course that was born from the rhetoric of your side’s rivalry of China. I love how not speaking English is some sort of crime. Can you come up with a worse crime that can’t be accused of you at the same time? It’s going to be hard since that crime is probably the only crime you can’t be accused of being a hypocrite. Yeah, the world has to obey and follow the wisdom of that sound logic?
You can’t vilify China without vilifying yourselves with your own hypocrisy. And since China’s rise is the most non-violent in comparison to what the established powers of today had to do to get where they are, all you have is to spread propaganda and nothing of substance.
Hell KingFrankly, they were inferior in a technological sense, hence the reason for the widespread modernization. What is wrong with stating that? Other than nothing, of course, but I’m curious to see what your reasoning is for thinking that a pre-modernization Chinese military had over anyone else with the exception of numbers.
Present-day China, however, is a wholly different story.
Nationalistic concepts can cloud the thought processes of minds on both sides of the equation.
You still hear it today. Never sad there was anything wrong with stating it. I’m only just pointing out and making fun of the contradictions of the China critics that can’t make up their minds if they want to portray China as inferior or a real challenge. Maybe because those people are in denial and prefer to feel superior. There’s certainly more comfort thinking that way so I’ll give denial most of the credit.
Hell KingWhat do you care about China’s military “buildup?” I thought China’s military is vastly inferior automatically to everyone’s especially those that are allied to the US. That’s what you read on boards like these. So what’s there to worry about?
An arms race in Southeast Asia? I’m sure Thailand is in fear of China’s military with all those arms they’re shopping for. They have to prepare for China by obtaining those Chinese warships and missiles they bought.
China has the right to a military that can defend itself especially since most of the countries that criticize and the ones you’re worried about have a recent history of invading, occupying, and/or complicite in crimes on China. So China has the right to the capability of defending itself from one to all of those countries.
Hell KingA handful. The US turns out more warships every year. I haven’t seen any Super Carriers being built. And if they do, you think they’re ever going to build the numbers of the US? You’re the one that must be kidding.
Sounds like the US is putting itself in the position of the Soviets and getting all paranoid about what the other side is doing.
All you have to worry about is assymetrical warfare. China knows it doesn’t have spend like the US. China can counter with a lot that is cheaper.
Hell KingThe difference is China is not in an arms race with the US. You don’t see China trying to match everything the US does like the Soviets did.
Hell KingAll I see today is Japan taking a subservient role behind the West. I don’t see that as dominating.
And don’t bring up every incident in history. I can easily do that. I only brought up the the last 400 years the West has been dominating to this very day. You can bring up whatever nation in history did this or that but I still see the West as the dominating player today. Unless you want to argue against that point, all your little history lessons are moot.
Hell KingThe samurai lost their status in the 1870s because of the (almost certainly correct) perception that having several percent of the population legally entitled to a government stipend which was higher than the average income, exempt from certain laws & taxes, providing the entire army, & with first claim on any state jobs, was a major obstacle to international comptetiveness & economic & technological development. It wasn’t a slavish following of Western ways, it was a rational calculation that this particular old Japanese way had become a handicap.
BTW, my partners family did all right after losing their privileges, & her uncle has a fine antique sword box (slightly incongruous in a modern house in Yokohama – it looked better in his fathers traditional house in Ise) with the swords they managed to keep from the 1876 sword hunt.
That wasn’t my point. If you ask people what motivated the Japanese Empire of the late 1800s all the way to the end of WWII, they’ll tell you it was their Samurai culture. No, it was the belief that because they “volunteered” with a gun to their heads by Western colonialists to convert to Western ways, they should be treated as equals to the European colonial powers and get an equal share of the pie that was Asia. But of course the West didn’t look at Japan as equals even though it was promised if they embraced the West. So Japan just did what any Western colonialists would do when they feel they were getting a raw deal and that was to go to war and take what they believed was theirs.
Hell KingJapan’s victory over Russia wasn’t a threat to Western domination of the world. Yeah, maybe in the paranoid minds of the racists. Plus Japan at that time followed Western ways good and bad. That was the deal with gun-boat diplomacy. That’s why there was the end of the Samurai. The Japanese Empire was about Japan getting their fair share of the colonial pie because they chose to follow the West not because of some Japanese cultural need to invade. China on the other hand picks and chooses what works best for China not for the West. Look at Japan today. With all its economic might, it stilll feels it has to follow the US. It’s not a threat until it becomes independent from the West. Until then it’s all about those that don’t blindly obey the West.
Hell KingSorry but the US does want to “occupy” China in the most important places… The mind.
You don’t think Americans want to turn the Chinese people into good obedient Christians that know their place? The West has dominanted the world for over 400 years. China is the first “non-European” country since then to threaten that domination. Just look at all those religious fanatics that say the West is where it is because they worship the Christian God. China doesn’t worship the Christian God so how do explain China especially if it ever surpasses the US? Does it mean God favors the Chinese? What’s important is what does the rest of the world think of the rise of non-Christian China? They certainly aren’t gonna to see the West having a monopoly over knowing what’s right to do. China’s rise puts a lot of what the West believes in academic and religious theory in question and the only way to maintain the status quo is to control China. You can’t do that by doing nothing.
Hell KingAnd they said it was at least 10 years until China could shoot down a satellite.
I don’t know what all the nay-sayers in here are reading but all the usual neo-con suspects are talking about it all over the place. Even Richard Fisher is alarmed and reported that the Chinese ASAT test demonstration shows China can deployed a mobile ballistic missile defense system since satellites move faster than ICBM warheads.
Hell KingI know this is an old thread but Strategypage a “reliable source?”
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Hell KingNever heard of the DF-31A being tested?
China a couple years ago supposedly tested several missile systems including the DF-31 and the JL-2 at the same time. Whether or not it was the DF-31″A” is another question. But it’s not like they go advertise it except to notify some governments that they’re going to be testing and it’s not an attack.
Hell Kingi am new to Chinese aviation, but isnt the KJ200 the one using the Il-76? or is that the beam type radar?
That’s the KJ-2000. KJ-200 uses the Y-8 platform.
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