Soc is one of us. Proof is he is attacked by as many anti-Chinese folks as I’ve been for being “pro” China.

BTW, some of the very best analysts and posters on the Chinese military in the English-based web are not Chinese. We have several of them here, Arthur “Hu Peng” Hubers, first and foremost among them. Rick Kamer who has the most exhaustive list of PLAAF and PLANAF squadrons and air regiments anywhere is another.

The person who probably contributed most to this thread — now in its 9th extension — as well as the PLAN and PLA threads in the army and naval subforums is not Chinese. Hyperwarp is too modest to say he knows as much about the Chinese military as any of us here but he obviously does.

So having a Chinese mod is not entirely critical if those who are mods are fair enough to allow the posters (of any nationality) who are genuinely interested in Chinese aviation to post in threads like this without interruption.

So in that note lets get back to the subjects of news, speculation and pictures instead of mods 🙂

Can you explain what you mean by “he’s one of us?” I never saw him as “Chinese” and didn’t SOC post recently about his Irish heritage replying to this very statement in another post which is obvious by him name as well. Also I never said there needs to be a “Chinese” mod here. I just pointed to the fact there will never be one.

Yeah… BIG DEAL isn’t it :p ? I mean, it’s almost
as if someone had commited a crime here for clicking pics here
and for being an A/C enthusiats for Asian stuff…

Thanks, friend! I needed that extra ammo :p . And, talking
about inspirations, here how I think it all began for the J-10 to clear the
air here over its Lavi connections for once and for all times:

My theory as to how it really came about:

They (Chinese) needed something sharp and they needed something
“first class” and, the handsome EF-2000, my opinion, were the thing that did
it for them. I mean if I were one of the designers at Chengdu, Xian, or wherever, I’d go after
the EF-2000 design (to replicate it) anytime over an F-16 clone (Lavi).

IMHO, the canards, plus the rectangular intakes; “minus
one engine for fuel econmy of course”; are the telltale signs that it’s the EF-
2000 — and not the Lavi — that had inspired the J-10.

“The Chinese population, including those in the field of aeronautics,
engineers designers and such, have ready access to western aviation
magazines such as AFM, Air International, Jane’s, etc., and the shock and awes of awesome
western 4th generation fighters fired up their imaginations hugely.”

JH-7 verses the Tornado for instance; and the Mirage-2000 was
of course a huge inspiration on the Chinese aviation industry in the 60’s.
There were plenty rumors back then of replicating L’Mirage-2000.

Yes pics inspires us. And AFM inspires all of us!

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Well, a while back there were some flamers in here who claimed that the FC-1 was a failed design because the 04 is a drastic change in its development. If a “drastic” change in design means failure, then the J-10 is an indigenous Chinese design since it’s bigger than the Lavi. That started the flamers backing out mired in their own illogic.

Take note of this “dirty” little secret, over ten years ago, I read that over 25% of the US R&D community was Chinese. It’s certainly more today. After the Wen Ho Lee fiasco, the government wanted to scrutinize everyone Chinese working at the national labs. It was most likely aimed at sweeping out the labs with a broad broom of “potential” espionage. It certainly drove the Chinese looking for better jobs in the private sector. But before they could step out the door, the goverment halted their inquisition because alarm bells sounded that the labs were going to lose important talent that was critical in the labs’ research. Something the pinheads in Washington arrogantly thought was not an issue before, if you know what I mean. The double-edged sword in todays US research and development in high technology and design.

In the next 5 to 10 years, China will advance to a stage in its technological development that will render all US bans and regimes that want to control what technology is imported to China meaningless. This genie is already out of the bottle.

The problem is with those who do take it seriously…like when they jump all over you merely for pointing out that an image is PSed and not genuine. Ask edisonone, he knows all about that. The issue is not to throw it in the face of anyone, but to determine which images are real, and which aren’t. It’s that simple. If I’m looking at a J-10 image, I want to know if it’s real or not before I go looking to see if there’s a different antenna fit here, or a different access panel there…CG artwork are a whole different topic and are not remotely related to what I’m talking about. Much respect to the talented CG artists whos work is often featured here.

And they’d be pretty freaking stupid for believing something so ludicrous.

We never had one in the first place.

Yeah, people do debate but I wouldn’t say “jump all over you.” I seen more people blow up when you question countries like India or even the US. People didn’t like it when there was that discussion about the Seersucker that hit Kuwait City. The pro-America side attacked anyone who dared to question about possible flaws in US detection systems making up absurd excuses.

There’s a clear bias here because when one questions the US, it will always turn into insults and racism. You never see those people accused of flaming or trolling.

According to FOX News there’s a culture war going on. I just don’t think people know which side of the culture war they’re on.

If there were no paranoia then why all the anger over China’s modernization program? So what if China builds a carrier and yet the “mighty” seem to be alarmed by it. That says more than the false bravado.

What does limiting information have to do with capability? The PLA isn’t limiting info to themselves. Pointless points that mean nothing.

Artworks:

I’m glad that people here are finally starting to get use
to the idea that artwork is artwork regardless if it’s Chinese or if whatever
and that it should be respected and not be singled out or criticised as pathetic
photoshops. Or I hope that this is finally the case anyhow.

I mean where will the world be today if it weren’t
for the creative imaginations of artist’s who implants their ideas and
creations in our heads and in society as a whole?

We’d still be naked cave dwellers,
Saber Tooth, Mammoth, Bengal Tiger & Panda hunters and
gatherers if that were the case…

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I agree with you. Great artwork coming out of China?… Well at least from someone from that part of the world. Aside from the military aspect of this, all these works seen on the internet shows a lot of talent. I bet we’re not far from seeing special effects for Hollywood movies being outsourced.

That appeared a couple of moths ago I think. That’s one in a series. Great artwork.

Joker,

If China was more like Japan or Taiwan, China would be a valued Ally, Instead China is merely a trading partner with a confused government, It doesn't know If It wants to be aligned with Captitalism or Communism.

Americans made Japan out to be worse than the Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s.

Who said China wants to be a subordinate of the West especially the US. Contrary to what you may want to believe, being a “valued ally” of the US just means you know your place and take orders from Americans. It bugs Americans that China doesn’t get in back of the line. That’s the real reason for American animosity towards China.

“Valued ally” is relative. China under treaty would’ve launch an attack on the Soviet Union if there was a war between the USSR and the US. How many Chinese would’ve been nuked for the US? Now since the Cold War is over, the US is concerned about democracy and human rights? Didn’t care about it during the Cold War especially when right-wing dictators around the world killed for the US. The US dumped Pakistan too after they were a steadfast US ally throughout the Cold War and helped in Afghanistan against the Soviets. As a result, it’s a breeding ground for terrorists. You make it sound like having the US as your King is some sort of honor.

No one in the USA hates China, At least 99% or so don't and the rest are too dumb to know better.

You are seriously wrong! If that were true there wouldn’t be so much paranoia about China in the US.

Rambo? I think You've been watching too many movies

You just have to read the threads here to see every cheerlearder for the US (including your remarks) believe the PLA has no chance against the US. Funny how Americans forget the Korean War. Not such a cake walk for the US.

I mean If You think movies are what Americans and America is all about then You are sadly mistaken

Sorry to tell you this but I’m American, born and reared. Americans do confuse themselves with images in movies. Americans really could care less about human rights violations around the world simply because they allow allies and there own government to commit them. In movies, Americans stand up against all wrongs. In reality American who dare to question anything that might expose the US negatively would be labeled a traitor and and a terrorist.

If you’re American, then you well know that Americans love to romaticize themselves like in movies. Jessica Lynch was made into Rambo yet she did nothing of the sort of action. I could spend endless amounts of space here givings examples of Americans confusing themselves with the heroism in movies. You’re simply wrong.

The US is no position to be alarmed by what China is doing when its defence budget is larger the rest of the world’s put together. One speculative carrier China might be building angers the US? You read in these forums from American cheerleaders that the US can easily take on China. I thought the strategy was to treat China like Reagan did with the Soviet Union… Bankrupt them by making them spend on their military trying to catch-up with the US. And Americans are complaining about one possible aircraft carrier and pairs of unproven modern warships that you count by using both hands?

There’s no difference between photoshopping with exaggerating and sometimes outright lying about abilities and capabilties like the Pentagon does advertising its systems. People only have a problem with China doing it because it says China doesn’t know its place in the “Western” order. So it basically boils down to a primitive animalistic pack mentality where there’s the social hierarchy of one alpha male and then everyone else who fights over their place in line with the world as its territory. China, not a part of or accepting its designated place below everyone else who embraces it, threatens the social order.