Hell KingJust like rather believing Russia shut China out not inviting to join the PAK-FA over China choosing not to be involved? Don’t be a hypocrite.
Yeah I’ve read everything about it and I’d rather believe the first story instead of the one that came out after all the threats of not buying US warplanes and everything else unless there was a retraction and apology.
Hell KingLet’s not forget how badly MKIs did at Red Flag.
Hell KingThe J-20 looks surprisingly like a delta-canard configuration of the MiG PAK-FA proposal….
And that looks like a YF-23 with some horizontal Raptor tails-wings.
Hell KingDream on! Like the Sino-Russian relation is going to collapse over military sales. What about the billions upon billions of dollars being made on non-military commerce? You know how like every country that wasn’t affected by the Western financial crisis happen to do big business with China. How convenient of you to forget that? Also who said they were married? Some say the same about the US and China. Do you believe that too? Plus the Russians did ask China to join the PAK-FA but China chose not to. Sorta releases that hot air. Love the spin as if you make it sound China is being left out.
Hell KingIf not North Korea? I love how you guys leave out South Korea or how about the US? To bring it up shows there is motivation on their part so they can blame it on whoever. Like South Korea is not known for extreme politics? Yeah the Moonies and their leader who believes he’s Jesus Christ returned and owns the politically sensational Washington Times. And you guys make fun of Kim? The Moonies are worse. Or how about a gay lovers’ quarrel was the cause of the USS Iowa turret explosion? Or how about the Gulf of Tonkin incident? Or Saddam was about launch nukes? Or how about Pat Tillman? Yeah there’s no history these people would ever exploit or stage a lie for politcal gain.
Hell Kingwell girls, i gotta say, i’m going to eat my words that i’ve said to you pak-fa fanboys about it not coming out. it actually came out and its a pretty sweet looking airplane.
so i guess what will follow are:
f-22 vs pak-fa threads
f-35 vs pak-fa threads
Indian AF fans boasting about how good FGFA will be
PAF and PLAAF fans downplaying how good the airplane is
Americans wanting Obama to fund more F-22s
Kopp saying Indonesia is going to get Pak-Fa
Europeans at a loss.
And I’m sure you’ll start those threads with your name on them… of course! :diablo:
Hell KingSome time ago there was an article that said Pakistani pilots have actually flown the J-10.
Hell KingWhy are you continuing with this discussion? The mods wiped out much of this conversation. Repeating the discussion isn’t going to change anything.
Hell KingSo, “no government has a problem with lying” somehow excludes Western governments?
Did you address that to dreadnought? No you instead decided to arrogantly rewrite what someone else said, as if by your command dreadnought’s post never happened, after your mythical dream of Western intergrity and honor was turned into a nightmare with a cold hard dose of reality with the examples I gave of Western propaganda and lies. So you decided upon youself to rewrite what he said to save yourselves the embarrassment of dreadnought foolish charge mocking China for supposed lies about China’s carriers in light of something like lying about WMDs in Iraq or it was the Russians that started the war with Georgia. But then that’s crazy since dreadnought said you guys have honor.
I still haven’t seen that superior education you arrogantly brag about because the only thing you’ve shown is that you flunked reading comprehension because dreadnought said this…
Everybody knows that the chinese government has no problem with lieing
To which you said he did not say but instead this…
no government has a problem with lying
Anyone with a 1st grade education would know these two are not the same.
Ironic how Indians try to use the lack of English skills of the Chinese as if it makes them inferior. Well, English is not the first language of the Chinese. What’s all your excuses for failing simple reading comprehension.
Hell KingHell King,
Understand that Wanshan has earned credibility and respect on here.
So you are hinging your whole point on the integrity of media sources who routinely colour reports in favour of commercial or political agenda’s. Do you not comprehend how absurd that makes you appear?.
So what does that mean? I’m suppose to bow down to this biased ego. You worship him then. It doesn’t mean I have to. Did Washan point out to dreadnought that the West lies too? No. He was only offended when I showed some examples of far more worse lies from the West. Far worse than speculation on China’s carriers.
If I had just made a statement like “the West lies too,” someone would’ve demanded proof. But then I skipped all that and gave examples of how the West lies too. Now that there’s undeniable examples, people don’t like that as well. Why don’t you guys just declare that no one has a right to question or defend themselves from any Western critic and the allies that hide behind them. But then that would counter that Western value of free speech, wouldn’t it?
You don’t get it. If you even admit that your media lies, then that only supports my point against dreadnought’s statement that somehow the West has integrity and honor and wouldn’t lie. But you don’t see that because you too have your prejudices and don’t like it being exposed that the West lies too. So in fact you’re just angered that I showed some examples of irrefutable ugly lies from the West that counters dreadnought’s myth. What’s wrong with that unless you want to continue with the lies? Ergo, the whole point of this argument from the beginning. And where do you get all your prejudices about China? The very same media that you say distorts the truth and maligns you…
Hell KingTake a look under his profile. He’s busy attacking everyone else with distasteful rants 9/10th of the time. “Hell King” indeed.
Wanshan,
Well said, sir.
Don’t like it when I take on flamers and trolls like you? Read the forum rules. More hypocrites that don’t want flamers and trolls in their threads but it okay for you to do, huh? Don’t hate me for showing examples of your lies. Lets have more painted rock stories as sign of imminent invasion. Don’t you love how some people react so harshly to the truth. :diablo:
Hell KingSweetheart, I’m twice your age with three times your level of education. I didn’t say anything about what anybody else meant to say, I said something about how you could have responded differently. But that subtlety is lost on you.
Ok, so it is guilt by reason of not having denied an accusation? Meanwhile you don’t deny that you accept that Bush statement as true, while claiming other statements as lies. Yes, very logical. ….
Incidentally, has the possibility occurred to you that other Western countries may have been too polite to publicly embarrass Bush by denying?
Then why are you so uneducated to be arrogant enough to speak for someone else when he clearly did not say what you arrogantly claim he said. Notice you can’t do anything but insult. Another hypocrite. Call that an education? LOL!!!!!!!!! :diablo:
It’s your media that I get that information from. It doesn’t matter what I believe. If your media contradicts and lies then that just proves my point of hypocrites mocking others. Fall on your own sword.
You’re the one that can’t get through your head that IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS and you demand proof? Who’s arrogantly rewriting what other people say and you want to now rewrite history? Now you want to reinterpret what the media says… you overlord of redefining reality. What a joke to think you’re educated. Uneducated is when someone can’t comprehend what someone else posts to say it says something totally different. I’ve read your posts towards others before. Yeah it’s called an education when you think just because you have more posts in here than someone who dares to argue with you, that somehow gives you more credibilty? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! That called delusions of grandeur.
Hell KingWould you like to back that up with some sources and proofs. Because I don’t at all recall the intel serivce of my country taking that position. And my country is in the west. As you pointed out, the Bush administration lied, so why do you blindly accept that particular statement as true?
You’re clearly not of the variety of mature people who would shrugging and let it go as unimportant.
You had better not start calling me names, sir.
Don’t need to back it up and prove to you when it was all over the world media to which Bush used to defend himself. I accept it as true because no European Western country said otherwise. Just like the NATO countries perpetuated the lies that Russia invaded into Georgia without provocation.
You’re clearly too immature to admit your bias in defending the hypocrisy of dreadnought. Like you’re a neutral voice… You’re the one rewriting and reinterpreting what he said. He didn’t post what you said he did. How would you know unless you’re dreadnought. You think you’re arrogant enough to know what he thought? Oh yeah, he was speaking in general of governments around the world when he said in his post…
Everybody knows that the chinese government has no problem with lieing
Love the thought police thinking they’re arrogant enough to reinvent what was said when it’s posted right there for everyone to read for themselves. Why don’t you demand I believe the sky is green with pink polka dots or else…?
Where’s the name calling? I called out dreadnought’s hypocrisy and arrogance. Again unless you’re dreadnought you shouldn’t be offended unless you’re arrogant enough to believe anyone to dare to challenge you is considered an insult to you. No one should be surprised since you think you can speak for dreadnought.
Why don’t you just admit that you’re offended that the myth of Western integrity and honor was exposed with some outright recent lies from the West. And you think you can mock supposed lies about Chinese carriers when yours costed tens maybe hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. What a joke!
Hey dreadnought! Why don’t you tell us all what you meant? Were you taking a swipe or speaking in general of all governments? Yeah Westerners come into the Chinese threads to complain about all governments (including their own) around the world. Puhleeez!
Hell Kinga) ‘The West’ is a rather general (and might I add in this case inaccurate) term
b) inappropriate kneejerk reaction: original statement could just as easily have generalized to “no government has a problem with lying”, by-passing a us-v-them situation
c) if the shoe fits ….
a) As the Bush Administartion pointed out, many if not all, Western European intelligence services perpetuated the lie of the “imminent” threat of Saddam’s WMDs. Tail wagging the dog or the dog wagging the tail…? It doesn’t matter when its all the same dog.
b) But it clearly wasn’t so benign as you make it. Why say such a thing if he believes all governments lie? Maybe because he believes the stereotype the West has integrity and honor while others don’t? That’s only a little speck on top of the iceberg. The lies are endless.
c) That’s also called hypocrisy but too bad some don’t bother to notice until someone calls out the hypocrite. Maybe because one favors the hypocrite over the other?
Hell KingIt’s a amusing and thrilling ride for the new chinese naval aviation pilots 🙂
Everybody knows that the chinese government has no problem with lieing, they can only be believed on what they do and never on what they say or promise, they lack honor.
Yeah the West never lies like WMDs in Iraq or Pat Tillman. :diablo:
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