Then what are you complaining about, hypocrite?

Sick fantasies? That’s funny since you’re the one complaining about people who don’t masturbate to your opinions in here. If you don’t like other views, then I suggest you take your own advice that you give to people that dare not to agree blindly with you.

And if the Chinese were sending military ships off the coast of the continental US in international waters they would blow their tops and their spin would be that this shows that China has hostile intent and are not friendly towards the US.

is China in the top 5? yes or no? its a very simple question.
or am I right in that certain nationalists are too ashamed to admit the notion of IP violation.

I already know that’s what you were driving at. I guess you all need that because this thread shows none of you can’t make an argument with being exposed as a hypocrite with all your contradicting points. You need to salvage something out of this.

Can you admit you’re all a bunch of hypocrites?

They are number 1 in that list. Pot Kettle Black !

You looking in the mirror?

You are taking this argument grotesquely out of topic but I will answer this just once. I admit that there is human right violations in India and i am personally against it. Our government also tries its best. You know because our free media and the free western media reports it. We do not have the tallest buildings and shiniest of streets to hide whats inside. India you see is what India is, with everything good, bad and ugly about it.

There is a huge difference between people illegally sharing software music and videos and when established companies copy intellectual property. That is not taken likely here and western firms have one numerous law suits and compensations of companies which tried it. Not many do it.

You’re the one redefining everything to your own liking. I don’t make a million different definitions of stealing picking and choosing which one best suits my needs. You’re the one arguing that if it quacks like a duck, it’s not a duck. The problem is yours when you can’t get all your contradictions straight. :diablo:

It has to do with conflict of interests. Israel ideally do not want its position weakend by a change in the world order (ie. China becoming more powerful than U.S its main benefactor) so it maintains good relations with China. Admitting the sale of Lavi design will not help the relations between U.S and Israel. The KJ 2000 is another example for Sino-Israeli co-operation which is not liked by the U.S.

It is your lack of understanding of what I said. I never said the Russians were forced to sell by the Chinese. I said and explained that China was the only market for the fighters and engines at the stage and it was vital for Russia to fund its domestic programmes.

You heard it from the goat’s mouth from the head of Sukhoi itself that discussions are going on with the Chinese on the issue. Please accuse India or any country if you have read some Russian or French or American firm saying India copied its fighter/missile design without authorization. Feel free to quote.

I am just saying the facts, you ofcourse is free to believe what you want to.

All I have to say to all that is that’s all your spin. The same arguments you make can be said of India. India commits massive human rights violations especially with that caste system. But the US and the West says virtually nothing because they need India against China. Does that mean India doesn’t violate human rights?

I didn’t claim the J 10 was stolen. All I said was it is a copy of an israeli design. Which they do not admit because of American sensitivities.

More superficial nonsense? This whole thread and threads before have charged that China steals everything including the J-10. American sensitivites have nothing to do with the Chinese stealing the Lavi design. Another digression.

You are still not getting me proper. The Russians made the choice because they needed to sell their products as China was the only customer at the stage, they hardly had a choice. Russian Armed forces do not buy equipment at the scale of American forces anymore, so it needs exports to break even, fund future projects etc.
Situation is changed now because the Su brand is catching on, Malaysia, Indonasia, Venezuela and others have committed to the brand, more countries may in the future. So it is slightly different from what it used to be. And there is no fault in selling the designs that you have already copied.

Go back and read your initial post. You said the Russian were forced to sell to China. Going by your antagonism against China throughout, what else could it mean but claiming that China committed coercive acts against Russian to sell them stuff.

Discussing the issues with the Chinese pretty much represents a formal dialogue. And no one apart from mr Farooq has claimed that Prithvi is a Russian rip off neither Russians nor Indians.

More spin. Formal dialog from a story from a newspaper? You how much stuff I can accuse of India just from reading newspapers? Formal because you declare it? I think formal is when the Russian government declares it not some newspaper speculating.

I love how there’s a theme in here that you’re the final judgement on everything.

You have not destroyed anything. You still cannot relate to my question about the west having eff all to do with the Chinese copying the Flanker.

If I haven’t destroyed anything then why did you bring up your pointless arguments, i.e. the law, that I destroyed. You’re the one guilty of digression.

It is allegedly copied. The Israelis deny it so as not to offend their American friends. When IAI head says that they gave it to you, I would say to you that your prized fighter is an Israeli ripoff. For now its only alleged.

Changing the story again. What’s all this stuff about stealing then. If the Israelis sold or gave the design to China no matter if it was without consent of the US, it’s not stolen. Read all the posts arguing about the Lavi and J-10 connection. Virtually all of the claim the Israelis gave or sold it to the Chinese. Now that destroyes all the arguments that the J-10 was stolen. If your own logic starts contradicting itself, don’t blame anyone but yourselves.

No I think you misunderstood me. Russia was forced to sell not because she is afraid of your military might, but because she had few markets outside China and India. The situation is slightly different now.

I love how you just contradict yourself. I don’t see anything forced in there. The Russians made the choice regardless and without any coercive acts by the Chinese. So stop trying to spin it that way. And I destroyed another one of your arguments since I showed you that Russia still has stuff they don’t sell to China.

Israelis selling stuff to you behind American’s back is different from you stealing something outright from Russia.

And what was pointed out, India does the same but the superficial nonsense that if it’s not called stealing then it isn’t is deperate bull.

Israelis selling stuff to you behind American’s back is different from you stealing something outright from Russia.

Russians still haven’t made a formal charge. It’s just as legitimate as acusing India of stealing as charged before in here.