yes but unlike some Chinese nationalists, the “west” acknowledges many of their early designs were based on German technology. the US knows the Bell X-5 is based on the Messerschmitt P.1101.. the west knows the Russians based their MiG-15 on the same design. they acknowledge it.

but on the other hand, say Chengdu made a new aircraft that was clearly based on the design of the P.1101.. the Chinese nationalists will deny it was a copy.. they will say its original because it has some Chinese parts, then they for some reason, will attack the “west” and the rest of the world, bring up a bunch of irrelevant comparisons and information to divert attention away from the main issue, and then claim everyone is racist 🙂

Really, read some of the people in here and everything came from the US.

What Chinese nationalists? The PLA says exactly nothing. If you’re going by people who posts in forums like this one, take a look what bull that’s spun in here by those that make the charge as an example. According to them everything is there own invention. When you read what so-called “Chinese nationalists” say, they don’t claim 100% indigenous without assistance. So if you go by what ante climax charges, then it’s not stealing because the Chinese got willing assistance. Even the Russians knew their engines were going on the J-11B. The”Chinese nationalist” more argue that they’re not exact copies. It can be argued that the J-11B, except for the look, has more components that are Chinese than any copy of Russian or Western components. Sorry to tell that it does smell like racism when they all claim the Chinese can only do is steal and copy. And you don’t think Westerners make outrageous charges?

One can claim the US and the Russians stole everything from the Germans.

There is no logic in this nor there is a need for it.

1. China Stole Russian Design in making the J 11B – Fact

2. You cannot argue that because this was done many hundred years ago it is right at present.

3. I never said what America did in Gbay was right. So there is no contradiction there.

4. America breaking laws in Gbay has no relations with you stealing a Russian design, the affected party is Russia not America. It is like you stealing from me because some one else did something. 😮

And the West has a history of “stealing” according to their own logic. Just as the West gives themselves special circumstances to break laws, the Chinese can do the same. So it ain’t stealing according to all the bull spin in here.

Yes the slaughtering (really) of native Americans. The slaughtering of the Aborigines, Slavery, slave labour for building national defenses (like a big wall for eg.) etc were normal during that age. So was copying gun powder tech and crossbow designs.

The same rules do not apply now. And this is not even like stealing the tech, its like stealing the design to make a 1:1 copy. :rolleyes:

You’re skirting around that the US tortures people which is against the law yet there are people defending it as not criminal. So the Chinese can argue the same.

Also where’s the law that says the US can have nuclear weapons but Iranians can’t.

I thought many branded MAG wheels have design copyrights patents etc. So reinventing the wheel is certainly the order of the day.

There were caucasion mummies found in the far Western part of China said to be at least two thousand years old. There are those claiming that proves everything China invented actually came from the West. In a Discovery Channel documentary they’re even claiming the West gave the Chinese the wheel. But according to everyone here the Chinese never invented anything and stole everything in the first place. This wouldn’t be a revelation or news if this is already known yet they’re acting as if it is. Which means they were lying all the time.

Yeah now all of the sudden far-fetched logic works when it’s to their advantage.

BTW, they said the mummies were from a people known to “borrowed” from all sorts of cultures in the region. How can a people that steal from other cultures claim they gave everything to China? More bull.

nope, your responses is an attempt to justify China’s copying with out actually saying it.

hey.. I’m not against you king of hell. I think its all fine and dandy China copies designs from elsewhere, whether its legal or illegal. I’ve got no problems with it whatsoever. what i do find funny is that nationalists like to deny the copying thing all together 😉 its like they are ashamed of it or something. I hope China’s military industry does more copying in the future and the Russians keep on selling stuff to them.

we got an Su-27 in the form of the J-11
a Yak-130 in the form of a L-15
an older mig-21 in the form of a J-7 (my favorite mig-21 based design)..
some Israeli variant missiles.
I am hoping Russia sells the Su-35, Pak-FA, and Su-34 to China so I can get my J-11C, J-15, and J-11D 🙂

And we all know the underlying racism in this thread.

I never said I was defending. I responding to the underlying bull that says China can only and is only the one that steals. The US stole from the Europeans in the 1800s. The Europeans stole things out of their colonialism and slapped their name on it. Post WWII Japanese were accused of stealing. By that logic since every modern weapon has their roots from the Chinese, everyone stole from the Chinese. They only improved on it. Remember when they said the Japanese could only improve and not invent. The same can be said of the West.

What an odd little rant.

I know. Lou Dobbs always has odd little rants.