I believe that Kennet Aviation at Cranfield tried to do just that a few years ago, they aquired at least two Sea Hawks from private collections with a view to restoring one to fly. The project came to nothing and both aircrfat were returned to Bruntingthorpe
I thing one is still here, did the other go the the German Museum at Hemerskil ? (I will check at home tonight)
I would like to think that a small team could return the Sea Hawk to ground running condition and be made to taxi and fold wing ect. With the ever rising cost of restoring and flying an aircraft, surely an more achiveable solution is to restore and taxi, at least we can see, hear and smell at live aeroplane.
On the subject of civil registed red Sea Hawk the aircraft with Peter Vallance at Gatwick came from Hurn were it was registered but never restored to fly.
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Hi Willow, if you dont start your Airfix Halifax this week maybe you should keep it for the first week of September, lets face it you will need something to do on your honeymoon 🙂 😀 😎
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Originally posted by David Burke
Do we really need any insignificant Iraqi combat jets when we have problems keeping what we already have in good order.
I’m surprised at you David, if people had that attitude fifty years ago we would not have any WW2 German or Japanese aircraft today. I agree that more needs to be done to protect the aircraft we have today, but to ignor enermy aircraft from our more recent conflicts is very short sighted.
The IWM only has one example is a Russian ‘cold war’ aircraft, they should make every effort to obtain one or two Iraqi combat jets, the Mig-25 shown above would be good for starters. It always amazes me that apart from a few helicopters and the Mig-23/27 that arrived at Newark via a private importer, that the UK has not received any ‘cold war’ jets from the former Eastern block countries.
I would love to see a Su-22 used at Duxford as a centre piece about the Warsaw pack and the fall of the berlin wall. Instead they seem obsessed with chopping up historic British aircraft
(Concorde and Shackleton) and reproducing an artists impression by hangar aeroplanes from the roof.
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I have no involvement or ‘inside’ information on the aircraft stored at Sandfoft. But form memory is it not the case that the Imperial Group went bust with large debits? If so the ownership of their assets, ie the aircaft become property of the creditors. This would account for their sorry state as nobody is going to work on them untill ownership can be proven. If my understanding is correct then any future purchaser should make them slelves known to the creditors, otherwise they will end up as pots and pans.
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ps I hope YAK 11 FAN was joking about using Duxfords Shackleton wings to rebuild the Lincoln, the only place for those wings is bolted either side of the Shackleton’s fuslage.
I agree with Bruce on this one the ‘rarity’ of the recovered Japanese types should be considered more important to preserve and display them rather then rebuild them to fly. If they were to be flown they would end up little more than modern reproductions, probably using America P+W engines and tyres from a Learjet. A carefull rebuild to static display is by far the best solution, the question remains by whom ? Japan would be a obvious choice however they seem to have little interest in their war time history.
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Shorty the hunter is ex Danish Airforce
Where is it come from ? Looks to be in good condition.
What next Willow ? Will you be selling your Earwig collection or maybe the loft insulation. What ever you do dont let ‘her ‘n ‘doors look in the garage, she might thing that you’ur got too many cars!!!!
Seriously, have you taked E-bay with your mag’s.
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Just because KB976 rear end “was too badly damaged by the hanger colapse and the rear fuselarge from the lincoln is to be used insted” it does not mean that it could not be restored to static condition, or indeed be reused on the Lincoln. If aeroplanes are to be broken up like this at least keep the parts together to allow a rebuild at a future date.
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Back from a short ‘family’ holiday so thought this thread should be moved to the top. I consider this to be a realistic idea that would be of greater interest , ie a WW2 bomber, to the visiting public than a large, mostly empty fuselage. Does the IWM not have a collection of guns, radio, navigation, bomb aiming equipment that could be displayed along side the sectioned B-25, Add an audio presentation and some flashing lights and the public will love it. The best bit of course is that the Shackleton will remain in one piece, OK it will take money and many years of work, but just consider what the Sunderland was like thirty years ago, could the Sunderland crew not be given a new mission ?
RESTORE THE SHACKLETON
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Just read TonyC post and agree 100% that the aircraft at Duxford are being sectioned and hung out like child’s toys because of an artists impression. This makes loads of money for PR Gurus, style consultants and Architects. OK so it is a neccessity to promote the ideas to encourage the sponsors and the Lottery to stump up the cash. But it also tries to makes the management of the IWM look good, they are only Civil Servants and do not care about aviation preservation.
Ok Ashley I will also draw a close to this thread too, I will agree there are merits to your argument and at no time was any personnel comment intended to you or others.
Except maybe the Architects :>)
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I did not imply that disabled people be restricted in their access to Concorde or any other aircraft. Indeed with planning it should be possibly to include for greater access via a ramp from the first floor gallery into the rear exit door of Concode. If memory serves me correct the interior is fairly empty, so a wheel chair route to the cockpit should be possibe without cutting her up into little pieces.
As for comments like “looking back and going “oh if only we had”…” when refering to the destruction of the Shackleton the world of aviation is full of them. Most of us would love to see examples of a Stirling or a Hampden sitting in Duxford or Hendon “if only we had not cut the last one up” The lack of care shown by one of this countries national collections beggers belief.
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ps I hope that Dxford do not recieve a BA Concorde, they obviously can not take care of the aircraft they have got so why give them anything new.
What is it with the management at the IWM !!
Who ever thinks up these hair brained schemes, obviously not somebody who cares about the long term peservation of the nations aviation heritage. The current management are only the temporay custodans of the exhibits it should not be within their power to cut and display them in bits just because some PR guru thinks it will look good.
I would agree with the comments that more interactive and hands on displays are a welcome addition to any museum, but please do not use existing exhibits for this purpose. So the museum wants a airframe that is popular and familar to the thousands of non aviation and family visitors, to allow them access especially wheelchairs. The ideal answer would be a nose and forward fuselage from a B747. Several of these have been broken up in the UK so obtaining one should not be to differicult, although transport could be problem. Let one of the major airlines donate or sponsor the project (great PR for Virgin !!!), mount the fuselage at ground level with suitabe ramps to upper and lower decks, have the cockpit ‘powered showing video footage and R/T of a take off and landing, the kids will love.
But please please leave the Shackleton and Concorde alone.
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Originally posted by Snapper
You can have candyfloss and ice cream, donuts and chips.
Sorry old boy no DOUGHNUT at the sea side today. Stuck in a small hot office in central London.
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Is it not correct that the civil airliners are owned by the Duxford Aviation Society (DAS) thus are only lodgers at the airfield which is run by IWM, in the same way that TFC, OFMC and ArCo. Does anybody know what financal arrangements exist for such groups, especially the commerical ones. I would guess the arguement for the private owner groups is that it adds to the number of exhibits, but one day somebody in the government is going to ask why these groups do not have to pay commerical rents.
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Ok Vulcan 903 thanks for answering my questions, here is one more for you exactly, who owns what at Bruntingthorpe. I only ask because it is to easy to assume that they all belong to the Waltons. (which I know they do not!!)
Was it the local authority which turned down the planning permission? did they give a reason why the did not want to allow the aircraft to taxi, surely an undertaking NOT to have a flying museum would have been good enough. The ‘taxi days’ must have been a good money earner and certainly gave Bruntingthorpe a high profile event.
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