RE: How about a more helpful title for your posts?
Hi Michelle
A date and location would good too, I assume you live in California as most shot appear to be from Chino. Are you going to Edwards AFB Open House this weekend? I’ve been there before and they normal have a good warbird show, also check out the museum if its open, with the current levels of security I understand its been closed for some time ?
Good Photos, are scanned prints or slides, or do you use a digital camera.
Regards DOUGHNUT
RE: XV474
Hi Ashley,
Alconbury’s Phantoms were the RF-4C reconnaissance variant, operated by the USAF’s 1st TRS (Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron) from the 10th TRW (Tactical Reconnaissance Wing), also assigned to the 10th TRW at that time were the TR-1A of the 95th TRS. The TR-1A basically being an upgraded, new build U-2. Did you know that the U-2 hanging in the AAM at Duxford came from Alconbury! (how many anorak points do I get for that then ?), it never flew with the unit but was use for training purposes, being towed around the airfield.
The 10th TRW was also the parent unit for the 526th AS (Aggressor Squadron) that flew the brightly coloured F-5E Tiger. With the run-down of USAF units in the UK in the 1980’s the RF-4C where replaced by A-10A ‘tank busters’, until they also where returned to the USA and the base closed. Another ex Alconbury machine at Duxford is the A-10A, I will have to check but I believe this airframe had a mishap and was grounded and temporarily used as a gate guard, until being moved to Duxford.
When I have time I will post some photos taken at Alconbury at that time, Oh happy days!
RE: XV474
The OFMC Phantom was obtained primarily because Mark had flown many hours on the type, and was obviously in a position to get one direct from the RAF. Any thought of flying the type would have been a pipedream, as it appears to be with other fast jets, Lightning and Buccaneer, the best one could expect would be fast taxing, as at Bruntingthorpe, and I seem to remember the aircraft being using for a TV advertisement (was racing a Porsche) Can somebody from OFMC/IWM confirm its current ownership as it now appears to be a permanent IWM exhibit.
RE: Avro York
Hi Moggy,
I think you will find that the Avro York (and the Ambassador) arrived from the Dan Air engineering base at Lasham during the mid 1980’s. The aircraft has never been painted at Churchill’s personal aircraft, although the York at Cosford these carried false marking in the past.
At about the same time Dan Air scraped their last Comet4 at Lasham, but what happened to their DC-3 ?
RE: Forum Getogether?
Great idea, how about some of our forum experts giving a presentation on their choosen subject or maybe inviting somebody from IWM or DAS to give a talk on preservation ?
RE: aircraft wrecks in Scotland
It would be better that a coordinated approach to the recovery of some of these significant aircraft be carried out or else they will be slowly robbed of all valuable parts. I would assume that technically the wrecks are still the property of the MOD, so a lot of paperwork will be required before any recovery could be planned. Once recovered I would hope that the parts could become the center piece of a museum dedicated to those airmen that loss their lives in all high ground accidents.
RE: FW-190 at Manching
All of new build Warbirds such as the Fw190, Me262, Yak3/9 and the excellent Grumman Biplanes have required a minimum order of about six, I dont think that a British type would be viable, much as I would like to see Defiant, Whirlwind or Typhoon. Maybe there would be interest in a prewar British fighter like Hawker Fury, Bristol Bulldog or Gloster Gladiator. The Zero would be both popular and within the normal engineering of the specialist firms, I assume a suitable Russian radial engine would be used.
RE: Defiant replica
I totally agree with the construction of this sort of aircraft using as it does some original components. Indeed it probably has more original parts than most of the flying Spitfire and Hurricanes. It is of great credit to the small team at the Boulton Paul Association for seeing this project through. I understand that the collection is only open to the public on a prior permission basis which is shame. Although not wishing to steal the project from the BPA it would be great for the project to receive greater public attention. Might I suggest that the finished Defiant ‘go on tour’. For example 3 months at East Fortune, 3 months at Cosford, 3 months at Duxford, 3 months at Yoevilton. Each of these venues have airshows so the Defiant should be able to attend some of these events, but please remember to park it outside and give the photographers a chance. Hopefully a sponsorship deal could be put together (Flypast ?) which would cover the transport costs. With a little coordination the Defiant could also pass by Elvington, Newark, Waddington Airshow and even London (Hendon or IWM) Although not as glamorous as the Spit and Hurricane the aircraft is distinctive enough to draw attention from the general public.
RE: Leuchars
Typical of a British airshow, barriers and access platforms as close as possible to the aircraft. When will the organisers realise that children would be just as happy sitting in Thomas the Tank engine and leave the real airplane alone.
RE: Images of War
To Ja Worsley,
Exactly what point are you trying to make with these photos ?
P.S. are you aware that you may be in breach of copyright by scanning and distributing them ?
RE: Two Comet questions
Various static replica’s have been made over the years. One currently hangs in a shopping mall at Hatfield, it is visable from the north-bound A1 just as you enter the Hatfield tunnel. I remember seeing one at the Kings Lanley fishing lakes many years ago, but I think it has gone now. The Mosquito Museum has a replic, but I’ve never seen it. Parts of the original ‘Black Magic’, which were recovered from Spain, are supposed to be under restoration somewhere in UK.
RE: R6D-1 or if you prefer VC-118B
I guess that this is really a new thread but I agree with Roger S that a preserved DC-4/6/7 or Carvair would be great. I expect that because the aircraft are still so well used around the world that even damaged or time expired airframes are still too expensive for museums to purchase. The engines alone are worth a fortune.
RE: The Prentice at Shuttleworth
Thanks Philo I must have missed that one. If Air Atlantic can provide the Dove why do Shuttleworth need their own Prentice as I am sure that AA would be happy to show off their example. The attendance fee paid by Shuttleworth could be the only income that AA make from their Prentice.
On a different subject does anybody know why AA do not have their ‘open days’ any more ?
RE: The Prentice at Shuttleworth
To reply to David’s last comments. It would love to see such types as the Dragon Rapide, Proctor and Auster at Old Warden. But the Shuttleworth Collection does not have the necessary funding or engineering support to own and operate these types and that was my point about the Prentice. I am not against the preservation and operation of ‘boring’ training aircraft, indeed Air Atlantic at Coventry are a perfect example of what can be done with a collection of very interesting aircraft. If Shuttleworth want to display trainer aircraft why not invite Air Atlantic to provide one or two of their fleet at each airshow. Last year I remember a Shuttleworth flying display which included two Magisters, a Miles Geminie and Messenger and only one of those was owned by the collection. Shuttleworth should use their limited funds wisely.
RE: Plea for a victor……
With regard to the Victor repaint a few years ago I remember seeing it shortly after completion and it appeared that the matt finish had already started to wear. As the IWM are unable to offer full time hangarage could a more durable (gloss ?) finish have been applied. Who did the work on the Victor and who provided the paint ? As we all know the cheapest option is not always the best.
With regard to the Shackleton the only group who has been responsible for its poor condition has been the IWM. It is simply not good enough for IWM to now ‘wash its hands’ of the aircraft as it has done with numerous other exhibts in the past. Remember the Comet, Varsity and Convair. I would considered that hangar space is now available to move the Shackleton under cover and the prepare for a long (and costly ?) restoration. The Sunderland is a prime example of how a large aircraft can be restored.