it might survive as a strike/AEW and trainer aircraft do not you think? well at least i wish because that was a really odd good looking aircraft

You have a really weird taste… that was the only ugly Flanker… and every other version looks great…

Is the structural difference between Su-27KUB and Su-34 a big one?

Could a Su-34 become navalized? IIRC, early versions were marketed as Su-32FN (FN standing for Fighter Naval)… but was that proposed FN version supposed to be carrier borne?

Navalized Su-34 would be a pretty EW and Recce aircraft…

J Boyle and Bob,

the point I was making (and the original poster himself) was the necessity (perhaps validity would be a more suitable word) of this war. He obviously doesn’t find it necessary nor valid, and that is the starting point of his thinking. There lies the whole difference between him and you. If he has such an attitude (and that would obviously be a negative one) towards the foreign policy of his country he will find almost every step the Government takes as wrong and unjustified.

Using the ‘language’ of the anti-war zealots and describing the soldier in question as he did, I found galling – he could easily have made his point without insulting the soldier, who is out there experiencing things that the ‘commenter’, safe at home in his armchair on the internets, couldn’t even imagine…

And there he went a bit off with his comments about Cpl. Harrison.

I guess laying roadside bombs or using sniping methods if you wear a black turban doesn’t make you a murderer or coward, just a freedom fighter…

I never said the Taliban were the freedom fighters, although the US has labeled, or better said, were marketing them as such in the 80s… And then, after some time we live to see the heroes becoming the villains … how tricky it gets;)

IMHO, they are a regressive force that shouldn’t exist at all… but despite my wishes for some reason(s) they are still there, with their, for us awkward, picture how the world should look alike (and with a probable aim of “removing” or converting all of us, infidels:D ).

As a guy who used an AIAW (.308) and some other high tech sniper rifles, and a guy who uses wide range of firearms on a weekly basis (for practicing), I can only take my hat off to the Cpl. Harrison for his skill. But I find his media adventure as completely unnecessary and naive. And I think that was the focal point of J Boyle’s “poster”. Killing a men is not a sport and something that should be talked about around. It’s something that you shouldn’t talk to the mainstream media, but if you feel a need for that you should talk to your superiors or team members. And that is where all the talk should end.

If the sniper had picked off two Afghan farmers innocently walking their goats then maybe the idiot commentor who posted the above diatribe might have had some points worth ‘recommending’ but as these were two combatants manning a machine gun they were fair game. I wonder if the prat actually read the piece or just trawled up the usual Stop The War Coalition crap…

You seem to miss the point. He didn’t want to point out (but rather used it for larger picture) exact act of killing the two Taliban, but mostly the hype that was created after this event has occurred. There’s nothing to be proud in killing somebody. And it isn’t noble to talk of it in front of the whole world. I know the story has been pushed to the front pages for the sake of altering moral of the troops employed over there. But it has been done in such a “Machiavelistic” way which may only bring benefits to those who are moving the pawns on the big chess board.

And that guy’s not an idiot. He just has very much different thinking of most of the things in this world than yourself. Is that a crime? Or you think that kind of behavior should be punished? Or limit such person in a society, ie. from voting or participating in any decision making processes?

You have to accept that we are all very different and try to live with that, and not change somebody to think the way you would like him/her to.

Most of the special forces’ operations still remain classified regardless how spectacular they might have been. But those are classified for a multitude of reasons.

Although this specific event wasn’t a SpecOp this “regular guy” has done extraordinary things that will certainly find him a place in the books and articles of modern warfare. But this guy will remain “exposed” till the rest of his life. For some he will be a hero and utterly skilled sharpshooter, while for the others a villain and a murderer. And for some (J Boyle) a “necessary evil”.

@J Boyle,

I do find it justified to fight when attacked or facing a credible treat. But not to cross that line. The other point the poster (whom you quoted) was trying to make was the necessity of this war. But that’s an entirely different topic and such a vast field where we could discuss for weeks without big success (and that would be finding a consensus). And 99,99% of our arguments/facts/insinuations would be those placed/found in the media. And there are so many contradicting claims and stories and much less credible authors of those. All of us are creating a picture of an event or a person upon information we receive. What creates a headache is that many of those we can’t fairly check and accept as an utter truth but rather take each of them with a grain of salt. And for a normal man (one that’s not absorbing fully what’s being placed in the media) digesting that type of info becomes a real pain in the a$$.

Let’s not forget how badly MKIs did at Red Flag.

Says who? Terrence Fornoff???

WOW…. Ken that is fantastic!
Ok I have to ask…. when looking inside the intakes can you see the engine face on your model??? hehhe 😀

Ken may not see it, but we all surely know of one guy that can (a certain member of this forum) 😀

Niksi first two photos (btw. Vojkan Kostic photo archive):
that is 23282 with Iraqi AF insignia (actually that bird never had YAF insignia).The only MiG-23ML wich had YAF insigna was 23269(cn25056)
Than those MiG-21bis photos are from MOST
Last photo :MiG-21bis,ex Iraqi AF with YAF markings(but Iragi AF registration)
Batajnica AB ,photo Aleksandar Radic

I should’ve been more accurate and said which photos were showing Iraqi MiG’s with YAF insignia:)

Anyways, thanks for detailed info about pics:)

As I know majority of NATO bombs and missiles fell on Serbian industry infrastructure including military plants because hunting Serbian Army in Kosovo was not too effective.

anyway, from images that could be seen, lots of missiles/bombs were aimed at stuff having little to no direct military use

You 2 are just about to wake up some ghosts that will come with “hard proofs” shouting what you’re saying is a blasphemy:D

(and that we were bombed cuz we were the bad guys and we deserved to be punished the way the Allied Force has been undertaken)

They were lucky to crash land onto “friendly” terrain (clear field).

In the video reporter says that bigger accident was avoided thanks to the pilot who used his skills to crash land the helicopter as softly as possible and not crashing into nearby inhabited place. The pilot managed to leave the plane without help while the copilot has been stuck and was evacuated as soon as help arrived. Both were transferred to hospital with copilot having serious injuries.

Both pilots were civilians.

The pilot is 59 years old if I heard that correctly.