Did someone mention the Hawk was rumoured fitted to the F-14 ??? Photo was taken in 2001……
Zoobin (AGM-379) being fired from an Iranian F-4 late 1990s…
Sorry ELP you ******….. i have flown GPS precision approaches in Australia as far back as 2000. I started using the first commercially available portable GPS’s (Trimble Transpac) as far back as 1994. AGAIN YOUR the one showning your ignorance.
I have flown Medivacs/ SAR/ Aerobatics/ Formation / Parachuting ops/ IFR/ turbines/ and flown in a 2 crew environment.
Im sorry have you ever flown up to FL370?? Im sorry have you ever flown low level at over 160knots? Im sorry have you ever flown into a thunder storm?
You display an uncanny amout of arrogance and ignorance…. and since all you can really do on here is make personal attacks instead of coming up with your own IDEAS AND THOUGHTS… and since you apparently can’t think for your self and form your own ideas and principles and act in mature way, then id rather talk to my dog.
“Next you can read up on weight. As in “lots of it”. A lot of it above the weakened impact area. WTC wasn’t the Rock of Gibraltar. You could see through large parts of it when the sun backlights it. Been in it? I have. 3 or so times. It sways in the wind. You forget another weight. A 3-400,000 lb airliner smacking into it at x number of Gs. And about 30.000lbs of fuel. Nothing to stop the fuel from burning either. Water doesn’t cut it (what ever was left of the sprinkler system. Reason they use special fire retard foam at airport fire departments. Several science types and engineers have already explained how the thing fell. You forgot another metal: Tin foil. Go buy some. They are after you. “
Again.. you display a lack of knowledge as to why “foam” is used…….
Water and Petrol don’t mix….. correct… for the first time… However foam is used only when large pools of fuel pour onto the ground….. the foam starves the fire….. Pools, puddles….do you understand……??
Let me give an example…. and since we do this in basic training…. and we do this every year…. (Don’t they teach you… how to use a fire extinguisher or a fire hose at your “military” posting??)
Pour fuel into a bucket…. and light it….
Next use a hose to try and put it out….. it blows up in your face…. as the water is pushing the fuel into the air, but not mixing with it…
Next we use the “foam”….. it puts the fire out…. wow….
Next we pour petrol in the ground….. the ground soaks it up…. we use the house… wow…. the fire is out….
Civillian Fire trucks don’t carry foam… but they somehow still manage to put out a car on fire….
Again… In the WTC crashes, the fuel is consumed in the BIGGGGG fireball…….. the fuel… can’t pool….. it can’t pour down the elevator shafts…. as its simply not there…
The fuel travelled at the same speed as the plane…. it travelled right through the floors and came out the other side…. It can’t instantaneously stop and form large puddles…..
What ever residual fuel is left would have burnt within the next few minutes as we see smoke POUR from the building after about 15 to 20mins later….
I bet not one of you has even set fire to diesal and seen how…. cold it burns….
Do any of you understands what an orange flame and a blue flame means…
Again… basic stuff….
Orange flame…. hot…. blue flame…. REALLY HOT…..
You can pass your hand through an orange flame for a few seconds… You can’t pass your hand through a blue flame…
Do we understand what a “controlled” and “uncontrolled” burn means….
I’d even say that you don’t understand what smoke means in a fire…..
I have told you that the CIA found the war in IRAQ is bulldust…. THIS IS A FACT ….
Yet not one of you is able to understand this….
I have told you a plane crashes into the Pentagon… leaves NO WRECKAGE and a small 5meter hole…. yet no wings are found…. no engines are found…. not even the main undercarriage legs or HUGE rubber tyres are left………. Yet Hollywood tells us this is normal…..
Wow look this 737 crashed into a mountain…. LOOK… WRECKAGE… the entire rear fuse…. WOW….. oh sorry….. this was only at 150knots…
Wow look…. TWA FLT800 which exploded in mid-air carrying 10 times the fuel of the 757 that hit the Pentagon……. 95% of it WAS FOUND…. but hey exploding in mid-air means nothing….
A Tu-154 and a 757 collide in mid-air at 38000ft with a rate of closure of nearly 800knots….
WOW wreckage…
A Challenger Bizjet runs into a building at 80knots…. even at this low speed the wings come off !!! But thats right the Pentagon just made those two wings…. the two engines (each weigh well over ton each)…. undercarriage… all disintergrate into pieces no bigger then your finger……
If there is video why cant we see it….. why the secrecy??
By your own admissions…. everyone on here has siad… they agree with the findings… that plain old jetfuel….or kero…. made MASSIVE FIRES….causing the 47 steel column’s to give way…. never mind that the building had steel plated floors on which concrete was poured…. massive trusses which were welded and bolted together….
So if you believe the reports…. as you all seem to do…. that means… every single building in the world is prone to collapse because jetfuel burns soooooo hot…. (I have disproven this by the previous post in which i showed buildings on fire which DID NOT COLLAPSE….)….
So by using this logic… this means… if an airliner crashes into a multi-story building…. the raging jet fuel fires will make it collapse suddenly into nothing more then piles of steel thrown about violently and turn concrete into dust…!!!!
Then tell me…. what is this a picture of ????
Lets see…. its looks like a 11 story apartment block with some damage…
In fact…. this is the site of a BOEING 747 CRASH…… The 747 freighter belonging to EL AL of Israel crashed into this appartment complex while at a 90degree bank…..
The 747… with a gross weight on take-off of 338TONS, it had only just taken off…. it was carrying… 72TONS OF FUEL….. I’ll say it again…72TONS OF FUEL…. WOW now there is a BIG FIREBALL…… PLENTY OF FUEL…. compare it to the 757 which crashed into the WTC’s…they carried what?? a few tons??
Yet… somehow this building didn’t collapse into a heap…. the damage you see was caused by the impact…
Again…. JETFUEL didn’t CAUSE THIS BUILDING TO COLLAPSE…. 72TONS of it.. burned……
At every turn i have shown you factual information….
Buildings which didn’t collapse because of fire…. no comment from any of you…
A woman alive and well in the hole caused by the 757 …. despite the immence heat!…… no comment from any of you….
Photos of ground zero…… which show… hardly any rubble…. just bits of steel…. no concrete…. no fixtures and fittings…. nothing of the ground floor… the report says it collapsed straight down… yet we see steel tossed 300 to 400 feet away…. some of it embedded in nearby buildings….
No rubble…. its only 60ft tall at best ….. 110 storys….. gone….. just steel…
Yet still…… no comment from anyone….
We all saw… a BIG fireball….. this means… in the same way a FAE works… that the fireball consumed the fuel….. so there is no fuel to burn….
We all see THICK SMOKE eminating from the buildings….. Smoke means smoldering fire….
Wheres the raging fires in this picture????
I dont need to read no book…. this is all BASIC knowledge…..
I have told you all of the footage i have of a least a dozen reports by different media stations talking about bombs exploding…. a firechief even told a reporter to get out of the area because he suspected the building was rigged with explosives….
I have told you of footage which shows the aftermath of an underground explosion in one of the basement carparks…..
Not to mention the interview with someone who was there…..
Still no comment???? Or maybe…these are lies..?? Maybe the media got it wrong??? Maybe the survivors lied too…..
So again… none of you have come up with anything except the usual moronic “shoot the messenger” cause he cant speall…… or punckuate….
The moronic “tin hat” joke is wearing thin …as again.. you cant come up with your own answers or your own observations…. you just tow the government line…..
Tell me then…. WTC 7…. it to collapsed later that day….. no plane flew into it….. no raging fires either…..
It fell in a nice controlled implosion….. what made it collapse ???
Why were bone fragments found earlier this year on a building roof top near “ground zero”??? How do bone fragments end up over 400 to 500ft away ? Didn’t the building collapse in a straight down manner???
“Geidel was one of 11 members of an elite fire squad who died on Sept. 11, 2001. Not a granule of his remains has been identified, and nearly five years later, Ralph Geidel found himself on this roof, still searching.
He stopped suddenly, plucked a small, eggshell-colored object between his fingers and slipped his reading glasses onto his nose for a better look.
“Could be part of a vertebrae,” he thought.
The piece would join a growing collection. Some 760 specks and slivers of human bones have been discovered in recent months, after demolition began on this 41-story former bank tower known as the Deutsche Bank building, just south of where the World Trade Center once stood. Gary Geidel is not the only one who is still missing. Of the 2,749 people who were killed that day, the remains of some 1,150 have not been found.
Their families have nothing — not a sliver of a bone — left of their loved ones. And they have long since given up any hope of finding recognizable human parts.
Then, in the last year, workers preparing to tear down the Deutsche Bank building found so many new bone fragments that officials sent a group of experts, including Geidel, to comb the roof, which is covered with a layer of gravel that authorities say camouflaged many of the smaller pieces.”
Is this…. a complete investigation???
WOW so kero weakens steel….. buildings explode into nothing…. planes which crash leave no wreckage behind…. and some one who has never flwon a plane says he can do a better job….
SOC that photo is a screen print from a movie clip…. the actual footage is from a news helicopter….. she was seen waving to the cameras!
Tell me then…. such.. raging fires…. never causes this building to collapse…
The most recent case of a severe high-rise fire is the one that destroyed the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain on February 12, 2005.
Which burned for almost a day, completely engulfed the upper ten stories of the building.
The fire caused the collapse of the top floor spans surrounding the still-standing core structure of the ten uppermost floors.
Yet despite the raging fire which lasted almost a day, it did not collapse.
Oh yea sorry…. we forgot to add kero…. the magical ingredient….
One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors
The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city’s history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours
But thats right….kero missing there too….. Tell me why does a kerosene heater not melt ???
What about WTC 5 ???
This building had raging infernos ON EVERY FLOOR…. but… alas… it was missing… kero.. the magic ingredient…. so it too didn’t collapse…
So what does happen to building that “collapses”….. more importantly…. there has never been a building collapse caused by fire…. What about implosions caused by demolitions… what happens??
If you collapse a 50 story building…. whats left..?
A large pile of rubble…. right?? Well one would think that…. i mean its all BASIC….. say 100 000tons of building is demolished… there should be 100 000tons of rubble…. rubble like large slabs of concrete…
We have all watched it TV…. when a building goes down….. whats left… a large pile of rubble…. simple isn’t it…..
But alas…. not the WTC buildings….
The pile of the remains of 110storys were barely 60ft high….. There was NO concrete… it turns to pulverised concrete powder…. but i guess thats what kero does…. it magically makes concrete turn to dust….. look at the photos..
nothing left but piles of red oxidised steel….. the ground floor doesnt even exsist…. but thats “collapse” for ya…. 10seconds to disintergrate 110 storys of several tens of thousands of tons of concrete…. WOW…. fire… who would have thought….
I mean…. when something collapses straight down…. you expect everything to land pretty much near the base of the building…. why is it that large hunks of steel were ejected 300 to 400 ft away ???? Several large parts of steel were embedded in buildings 400ft away…. wow…. kero does it again…
Now where is this massize amount of rubble…..
Not very high….. hardly anything there…. no concrete slabs…
So what happened to the pancake collapse theory ??? If it all “collapses” on itself…. why isnt there a big pile ?? Why is the ground floor gone????
Well where is the rubble ???? Why do we see no concrete ???
Why did it turn into powder???? Have any of you got a single clue at all at how much explosive force and heat is required to turn concrete into a fine powder??? Oh sorry… kero did it….. because the Government experts told us… so we believe it….
I’ll say it again…. FIRE HAS NEVER CAUSED A STEEL FRAMED BUILDING TO COLLAPSE….
Know your history…. in 1975 the North WTC building suffered a fire…This 110-story steel-framed office building suffered a fire on the 11th floor on February 13, 1975. The loss was estimated at over $2,000,000. The fire started at approximately 11:45 P.M. in a furnished office on the 11th floor and spread through the corridors toward the main open office area.
A porter saw flames under the door and sounded the alarm. It was later that the smoke detector in the air-conditioning plenum on the 11th floor was activated. The delay was probably because the air-conditioning system was turned off at night. The building engineers placed the ventilation system in the purge mode, to blow fresh air into the core area and to draw air from all the offices on the 11th floor so as to prevent further smoke spread.
The fire department on arrival found a very intense fire. It was not immediately known that the fire was spreading vertically from floor to floor through openings in the floor slab. These 300-mm x 450-mm (12-in. x 18-in.) openings in the slab provided access for telephone cables. Subsidiary fires on the 9th to the 19th floors were discovered and readily extinguished. The only occupants of the building at the time of fire were cleaning and service personnel. They were evacuated without any fatalities. However, there were 125 firemen involved in fighting this fire and 28 sustained injuries from the intense heat and smoke. The cause of the fire is unknown.
It was a very serious fire which spread over some 65 per cent of the eleventh floor (the core plus half the office area) in the very same building that supposedly “collapsed” on 9/11 due to a similar, or lesser, fire. This fire also spread to a number of other floors. And although it lasted over 3 hours, it caused no serious structural damage and trusses survived the fires without replacement and supported the building for many, many more years after the fires were put out.
That the 1975 fire was more intense than the 9/11 fires is evident from the fact that it caused the 11th floor east side windows to break and flames could be seen pouring from these broken windows. This indicates a temperature greater than 700°C. In the 9/11 fires the windows were not broken by the heat (only by the aircraft impact) indicating a temperature below 700°C.
Do you see… any windows broken by heat in any footage? or photos??
So why is it…. that i have news footage of interviews with Police, Firemen and survivors who all say there were bombs and explosions going off??
Why it that in one interview days later a survivor who worked in the WTC north says he was in one of the basements and reported he was injured by two explosions…. one of which went off 5 seconds before the 757 impacted the tower….
Why is it he claims people were killed in the basement..
Why is it a reporter being interviewed after the collapse says she was nearly killed by an explosion ?
Why is it i have footage of a news camera crew who went into the said basement and shot film of a large crater in the middle of one of the underground carparks??
Why do we see damage to the lobby of windows blown out…. floors cracked… and wall panels on the floor?
Why do i have news footage of a reporter saying Police have discovered a suspicious device in a van parked in one of these underground carparks….
Why are firemen reporting they have the “small” pockets of fire under control….
Again.. none of you can even hope to see whats presented infront of you…
Again KERO CAN NOT BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT OR EVEN MAKE STEEL GLOW RED HOT…..
I mean how BASIC IS THIS???????
Wow kero cause steel to glow so it looses 20 to 30% of its strength????? Jesus……
None of you have any experiences with Turbo-charged engines do you??
Tell me something…. why doesnt a diesal steel engine block glow red hot????
Why are diesal engines made from steel? not alloys ???
Even a basic mechanic knows this one……
Tell me again how hot does a turbine run at???
We are supposedly experts here…
How does a turbine work….???
But what the heck… i wouldn’t know… i just used to fly them…..
Sorry i never got to be inside the WTC….. So it sways??? Its a skyscraper… its meant to sway…. gees…. Havent you ever looked at the wing of a airliner when you go for a fly…. it flaps up and down too…. it must be weak as well!!!
And since we are on this path… (sorry..again you seem to have got it wrong.. i made a comment about fuel…. not the WTC… your the one who percieved it to be in reference of the WTC).
Those massive explosions…. you know… on impact…. pretty big werent they…. i guess it wasn’t the fuel burning there…… must of been something else….
That heat you keep referring too…. can you tell me why a woman was standing in the hole created by the airliner just an hour or so later ??? If there were raging fires she musta been the lucky one who managed to walk through it all….
Again… sorry.. im ranting…. and again.. sorry… you cant provide any resonable debate on the questions im asking….
The solo question was to see if your a pilot…. and what experiences you have to say that a person who had less 200hrs, could fly a 757 (without ever flying one before) at less then 30ft AGL at speeds of 400MPH along a 800meter stretch of…. undulating ground….
Ask any pilot… (without mentioning 911) and they all invariably say…. impossible… or extremly lucky…. tell them the pilot can’t even fly a Cessna 172 and they will more then likley say its impossible….
You know instead of shooting the messenger, you should really listen to the message….
Your cut and paste info was nothing new…. and proves nothing really.
The basic flaws of the story are staring you right in the face, but you cant see them…..
The tyre rim.. big deal…. if you did some research… or knew about aircraft parts you would know that tyre rim STYLE, fits at least 6 other aircraft…. even the Global Hawk…. Style is one thing…. rims come in different sizes…
So.. the rotor might be an APU…… big deal…. most turbo prop planes have APU’s in them…. proves nothing…
That oh so small hole in the Pentagon wall…..
Tell me… how does… the wingspan fit inside that hole ??? Don’t tell me you believe the Pentagon swallowed an entire 757 wings and all ???
There is no impact hole large enough to allow a 757 to fit into it… unlike the WTC which we all can see the massive hole caused by the planes…
And do some research on aircrashes…..
Wings and engines, along with the undercarriage would have sheered off on impact and be left outside the Pentagon walls if the fuse entered the building… If you knew the make up of an airliner you would understand that…
When you look at all the helicopter news footage…. and footage from the ground taken within minutes you see don’t see any wreckage…
these photos were taken by firemen who arrived within 7 mins of the crash as they were in the area and heard an explosion….
no wreckage here too
no wreckage here either… this was taken by a motorist a few minutes after the explosion….
No wreckage here…. screenshot from another motorist…. the “explosion” in the middle of the frame is actually a tree burning…. or is it a burning bush?
This shot taken after the collapse… which occured 20mins are the explosion… very clear in this shot.. no wreckage….
Anyone who has an intuitive mind would surmise (and correctly too)… that if the fuse entered the building, causing only a small hole…. the wings would be left behind…. but this isn’t the case here… oh yea thats right… that re-enforced exterior just simply shredded the wings, spar, undercarriage and engines….. to the point nothing was left….
Next…. the poles…..
Tell me….how does a pilot with less then 200hrs flying time….(and described an “hopeless” by his instructor Rick Garza)… a pilot who was refused a CESSNA 172 by another Flight School, (because the instructor who checked him out said he was hopeless too)… a pilot who has only ever flown single engine piston training planes …. a pilot who has never flown a multi-engine airliner, with no IF time, with no experience in the handling of a turbine aircraft…. fly at less then 30ft above the ground at over 400MPH for a distance of 800meters without impacting the ground ???
How does one come to the conclusion of less then 30FT ??? Simple…. If so many light poles were hit… (The average height which appears to be 40 to 50ft tall) then the wing must have been at that height or below…. but wait.. the engines hang a further 18feet below the wings…. this means the engine nacelles were no less then 10 to 20ft above the ground.. wow great flying…
Amazingly the engine nacelles and the engine themselves didn’t suck any FOD along the way or hit and light posts….
Next…. you seem to either never stood beside an airliner at all when its landing or taking off….
We have your list of eye-witnesses…. who…one said.. he was in fear of losing his head !!!! WOW HOLY **** A JET ENGINE FLEW SO CLOSE TO HIS HEAD, HE WAS THAT WORRIED THAT HE MIGHT LOSE IT…. YET amazingly NOT ONE OF THESE WITNESSES REPORTS THE EXTREME AND DEAFENING NOISE FROM 37000LBS of ENGINE NOISE (Times 2).. or JETWASH… or TURBULANCE…. If it flew that close to him i doubt indeed he would be alive to tell the tale……
It seems your list of eyewitnesses is a bit short….
“The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon. We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building”, said State Department employee Ken Ford.
Don Perkal “Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere.”
Gilah Goldsmith “We saw a huge black cloud of smoke, she said, saying it smelled like cordite, or gun smoke.”
“It sounded like a missile,” DiPaula recalls. “There were three loud thump, thump, thumps. You could hear the metal cracking and crinkling, and the explosion.”
Cleveland, Allen “Soon after the crash (Within 30 seconds of the crash) I witnessed a military cargo plane (Possibly a C130) fly over the crash site and circle the mushroom cloud. My brother in-law also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it. “
Marine Corps officer Mike Dobbs was standing on one of the upper levels of the outer ring of the Pentagon looking out the window when he saw an American Airlines 737 twin-engine airliner strike the building. “It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion”
“The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building”, said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon’s ongoing billion-dollar renovation.
So your “eye-witnesses” reports are different to the rest…… again.. this proves nothing….. as everyone who was interviewed all say different things… hell one person said he saw a HELICOPTER crash into the Pentagon…
Next is the way it was attacked itself…..
Why… as an in-experienced pilot would he want to approach the Pentagon “low level” ? It would make a much nicer hole and greater explosion if he simply dived into it from a great height… instead he wanders aimlessly at the almost EMPTY section of the Pentagon.
So much for target research….. wouldn’t someone about to crash into the Pentagon do a little reseach as see what was going on there? The so-called renovations were underway and that section was only just finished. Hence it was almost empty…. killing 124 people…. not the thousands he wanted to kill.
Next is the really crappy and obviously doctored video released by the US Government….
The Pentagon..the most highly secured place on the planet.. and we have 1 second time lapsed camera’s. Even the most basic Banks have real time recording video…. but the Pentagon… ??? And surprise, the ONLY frame which shows a blurry something has the sercurity swipe-card box in the way!!
The other video released by the Pentagon from the adjoining swipe-card machine shows…. surprisingly nothing as well…. except for a triangular nose in one corner in one of the frames….
As i said before…. there at least 6 to 8 cameras on the impact wall….
The FBI visited The Sheraton National Hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack.
The FBI also visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station’s security cameras would have captured the attack.
NONE OF THIS FOOTAGE has even been released.
And again i come to the following…. why was the NTSB NOT ALLOWED to do its job in investigating this? The NTSB has worked alongside the FBI before in hijackings and bombings of aircraft ,both in the USA and overseas… but this time its role was a mere… advisor… with no staff allowed near any of the crash sites….
And before you go off in your usual tirade….. It is one right to ask questions when ones own experiences tells them something is amiss…. It is a persons right to ask why…. as this is the only way you learn from others mistakes… otherwise we never learn anything….
Instead of following the Presidents own…. “Conspiracy theories must be put down” speach… following like sheep with our minds switched off…. people must be able to speak freely and ask loudly why does this smell bad…..
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