So sorry i didnt realise it was a spellin contest…..

I know airline pilots who can’t even proper Engrish

Yea kill kill kill kill……!!!

Lets just shoot at every formation of people standing because we assume they are scarey muslims…. I mean… the whole country is full of them…..

Any excuse under the sun to kill some more members of a no good race…..

I dunno what planet some of you are from, but killing unarmed civilians formed up in some desert somewhere is NOT… a military strike worth even considering.
Unless they are holding weapons and actually shooting at you, I think you would find that even the Geneva convention would have something to say about it….

But thats right…. this is all about revenge isnt it……… If its revenge you want… then grab a gun and start shooting anyone covered with a burka…. hell im sure and civilian court judge would see it your way….

You cant even see what your saying as being wrong… but thats right… since they did 911 we the US military machine can do what it wants….

I’ll post this again….

The US invaded Afganistan in search of Osama….. 5 YEARS later.. NOTHING….

The US invaded Iraq… somehow Saddam had WMD’s….. 4 Years later…. NOTHING

Some of you don’t even appear to read the newspapers or watch tv to know what is going on in the USA itself???

SADDAM HAD NO LINK TO AL-QAIDA….

Saddam Hussein had no links with al-Qaida leaders in Iraq before the invasion by the US and its allies, a US Senate report has revealed.
It is an embarrassment on the eve of the 5th anniversary of the Sept.11th terror attacks on the US and leaves in tatters George Bush’s case for going to war.
The revelation appears in a CIA report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Friday.
There was no evidence of links between the former dictator and the terror network before the 2003 war, the report said.
Mr. Bush and British PM Tony Blair’s main reason for going to war was because they claimed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
But since no WMDs were discovered after the allied victory, Mr Bush switch emphasis and focused on the alleged link between Saddam and al-Qaida.
He siad the presence of the late al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the war was evidence of a link.
But the senate report discloses for the first time an October 2005 assessment by the CIA that, before the war, Saddam’s government “did not have a relationship, harbour, or turn a blind eye toward Zarwawi and his associates”.
The declassified document also explores the role that innaccurate information supplied by the anti-Saddam exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, had in the march war.
The assessment in the CIA report was similer to the conclusion reached by the bi-partisan 9/11 commssion, which found that there had been no “collabrative relationship” between Saddam and al-Qaida.

Democrat Senator Carl Levin, a member of the committee, siad the long awaited report was a devestating indictment of the Bush/ Cheney administration’s unrelenting, misleading and deceptive attempts to link Saddam with al-Qaida.

He said as recently as August 21 Mr Bush assured reporters Saddam had relations with al-Zarqawi.

“The President’s statement, made two weeks ago, is flat out false”, Mr Levin said.

Democrat senator John D. Rockafella said the administration “exploited a deep sence of insercurity among Americans in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11th attacks, leading a large majority of Americans to believe, contray to the intelligence assenments at the time, that Iraq had a role in the 911 attacks”.[B]

Oh but thats right…. all Muslims deserve to die…. because they are responsible for 911 and every single Terrorist act since….

The FBI has stated flaty…. they dont have any credible evidence Osama was linked to 911….

And again.. i thought this was a aviation related site…. not some site to peddle peoples disjointed opinions on who deserves to die ……

Once you start acting like the so called enemy… then your just a mirror image of them… and that means your just as low and evil as they are….

Defend itself from what? It is now clear that there were NO weapons of mass destruction. Did I read somewhere that it’s also now been admitted that there is no link between Iraq and the atrocities of September 11th? Please explain who exactly the US is defending itself from? If there are proven links between al-Qaeda and the Countries of Syria and Iran, why then did the US choose to attack Iraq and Afghanistan? surely it couldn’t have been because America needed to be seen to extract revenge for the events of September 11th? Could it? As a Canadian, would you be happy to go to the families of canadians killed in Afghanistan and tell them they died in pursuit of a just cause?………..

…………….Is that an admission that the real reason the US is in iraq is because of the oil and not on some altruistic mission to recreate Wyoming in Baghdad?

Regards,

kev35

Kev your 100% correct…..
This was in a weekend newspaper…..

SADDAM HAD NO LINK TO AL-QAIDA….

Saddam Hussein had no links with al-Qaida leaders in Iraq before the invasion by the US and its allies, a US Senate report has revealed.
It is an embarrassment on the eve of the 5th anniversary of the Sept.11th terror attacks on the US and leaves in tatters George Bush’s case for going to war.
The revelation appears in a CIA report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Friday.
There was no evidence of links between the former dictator and the terror network before the 2003 war, the report said.
Mr. Bush and British PM Tony Blair’s main reason for going to war was because they claimed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
But since no WMDs were discovered after the allied victory, Mr Bush switch emphasis and focused on the alleged link between Saddam and al-Qaida.
He siad the presence of the late al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the war was evidence of a link.
But the senate report discloses for the first time an October 2005 assessment by the CIA that, before the war, Saddam’s government “did not have a relationship, harbour, or turn a blind eye toward Zarwawi and his associates”.
The declassified document also explores the role that innaccurate information supplied by the anti-Saddam exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, had in the march war.
The assessment in the CIA report was similer to the conclusion reached by the bi-partisan 9/11 commssion, which found that there had been no “collabrative relationship” between Saddam and al-Qaida.

Democrat Senator Carl Levin, a member of the committee, siad the long awaited report was a devestating indictment of the Bush/ Cheney administration’s unrelenting, misleading and deceptive attempts to link Saddam with al-Qaida.

He said as recently as August 21 Mr Bush assured reporters Saddam had relations with al-Zarqawi.

“The President’s statement, made two weeks ago, is flat out false”, Mr Levin said.

Democrat senator John D. Rockafella said the administration “exploited a deep sence of insercurity among Americans in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11th attacks, leading a large majority of Americans to believe, contray to the intelligence assenments at the time, that Iraq had a role in the 911 attacks”.

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After reading this doesn’t anyones minds tick over and ask questions now??

Even the FBI reports that it can not charge Osama bin-Laden because of the lack of evidence, even though he is on their most wanted list.
And if your really interested….
Do a google search on Tim Osman……

And futher still… on a CBC doco an ex CIA member (i think its the CTC? I’ll have to look at the video again) says and im quoting from memory here…

” The Joint Chiefs and the President were going to invade Iraq after 911… even though Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT…. They werent bothered it would upset the Muslims or world opinion.. Iraq had MORE targets then Afganistan, there was hardly anything to bomb there.. Colin Powell then talked the President into invading Afganistan as it would look better publically… They then agreed and said…. Afganistan “FIRST”….. then we will move onto Iraq….”

So now ex US government officials are speaking out…….

God almighty.. i cant believe this is being hashed on here….

Well then here goes…..

An article in Sundays paper…. Lets get it clear…. two wars were started on a lie….
These lies were told by the US President and the war mongers around him…

[I]SADDAM HAD NO LINK TO AL-QAIDA….

Saddam Hussein had no links with al-Qaida leaders in Iraq before the invasion by the US and its allies, a US Senate report has revealed.
It is an embarrassment on the eve of the 5th anniversary of the Sept.11th terror attacks on the US and leaves in tatters George Bush’s case for going to war.
The revelation appears in a CIA report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Friday.
There was no evidence of links between the former dictator and the terror network before the 2003 war, the report said.
Mr. Bush and British PM Tony Blair’s main reason for going to war was because they claimed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
But since no WMDs were discovered after the allied victory, Mr Bush switch emphasis and focused on the alleged link between Saddam and al-Qaida.
He siad the presence of the late al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the war was evidence of a link.
But the senate report discloses for the first time an October 2005 assessment by the CIA that, before the war, Saddam’s government “did not have a relationship, harbour, or turn a blind eye toward Zarwawi and his associates”.
The declassified document also explores the role that innaccurate information supplied by the anti-Saddam exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, had in the march war.
The assessment in the CIA report was similer to the conclusion reached by the bi-partisan 9/11 commssion, which found that there had been no “collabrative relationship” between Saddam and al-Qaida.

Democrat Senator Carl Levin, a member of the committee, siad the long awaited report was a devestating indictment of the Bush/ Cheney administration’s unrelenting, misleading and deceptive attempts to link Saddam with al-Qaida.

He said as recently as August 21 Mr Bush assured reporters Saddam had relations with al-Zarqawi.

“The President’s statement, made two weeks ago, is flat out false”, Mr Levin said.

Democrat senator John D. Rockafella said the administration “exploited a deep sence of insercurity among Americans in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11th attacks, leading a large majority of Americans to believe, contray to the intelligence assenments at the time, that Iraq had a role in the 911 attacks”.[/I]

The FBI reports that it can not charge Osama bin-Laden because of the lack of evidence, even though he is on their most wanted list.

So BIG LIE to bring about war…..

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So lets look into the lead up of 911………..

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.“

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For 40 years prior to 9/11/01, a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) rule had allowed commercial airlines pilots to carry firearms in the cockpit. The rule was adopted in in the wake of the 1961 Cuban missile crisis as a measure to prevent hijackings.

Just two months before 9/11/01, the FAA rescinded the rule without explanation.

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For 2 years before 911 the CIA had warnings about “Osama bin-Laden”…. these warnings were not actioned against…..

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Financial transactions in the days before the attack suggest that certain individuals used foreknowledge of the attack to reap huge profits. The evidence of insider trading includes:

Huge surges in purchases of put options on stocks of the two airline used in the attack — United Airlines and American Airlines

Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of reinsurance companies expected to pay out billions to cover losses from the attack — Munich Re and the AXA Group

Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of recorded by several financial services companies hurt by the attack — Merrill Lynch & Co., and Morgan Stanley and Bank of America

Huge surge in purchases of call options of stock of a weapons manufacturer expected to gain from the attack — Raytheon

Huge surges in purchases of 5-Year US Treasury Notes

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The entire WTC complex was leased to a partnership of Silverstein Properties and Westfield America. The new controllers acquired a handsome insurance policy for the complex including a clause that would prove extremely valuable: in the event of a terrorist attack, the partnership could collect the insured value of the property, and be released from their obligations under the 99-year lease.

After the attack, Silverstein Properties commenced litigation against its insurers, claiming it was entitled to twice the insurance policies’ value because, according to a spokesman for Mr. Silverstein, “the two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate ‘occurrences’ for insurance purposes, entitling him to collect twice on $3.6 billion of policies.” This was reported in the Bloomberg News less than one month after the attack.

Previous to this, the WTC complex was publically owned. Larry Silverstein placed “a terrorist” claus in his insurance policy.

The Twin Towers had large amounts of asbestos fireproofing which would have necessitated costly removal had they remained standing.

A region of several square miles was blanketed by fine powder resulting from the explosive collapses of the Twin Towers. This powder, consisting of the pulverized remains of non-metallic components and contents of the towers, contained significant percentages of asbestos .

A report by the Arnold & Porter law firm provides some details on the asbestos application and removal……“The WTC towers were built from 1968 to 1972. A slurry mixture of asbestos and cement was sprayed on as fireproofing material. But this practice was banned by the New York City Council in 1971. This halted the spraying, but not before hundreds of tons of the material had been applied. Some but not all of it was later removed in an abatement program.”

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A company named Stratesec had an ongoing contractor to handle security at the World Trade Center “up to the day the buildings fell down” according to CEO Barry McDaniel.

Marvin P. Bush, brother of George W. Bush, was a principal in the company between 1993 and late 2000.

A private Kuwaiti-American investment firm with ties to the Bush family was one of the company’s backers.

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In the 1970s the Bin Laden family funded one of the Bushes oil venture in Texas. Jim Bath introduced the Bin Ladens to the Bushes.
By the late 1970s Jim Bath had links to the CIA which was headed by George Bush SNR at the time.
Jim bath was to become the Bin Laden’s representative in North America and later a representative of Khalid bin Mohfouz, a member of the National Commercial Bank, the principal bank of the Saudi Royal Family.
In 1978 George Bush SNR started the ARBUSTO 78 oil company, initial investors included Salem bin Laden and Khalid bin Mohfouz.
By 1987 the various oil companies were taken over by HARKEN ENERGY.
HARKEN ENERGY was underwritten by BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
BCCI was exposed as a massively corrupt criminal enterprise and helped finance Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and terrorist leader Abu Nidal.
George W. Bush SNR. was meeting with Osama bin Laden’s brother, Shafig bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on the morning of 9/11. They were on Carlyle Group business just a few miles from where hijackers supposedly acting on behalf of Osama bin Laden would fly a plane into the Pentagon.
Between 1993 and 2000, Marvin Bush, President Bush’s brother was a principal in a company that provided security for both The World Trade Center and United Airlines. A private Kuwaiti-American investment firm with ties to the Bush family was one of the company’s backers.

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In the early 1960s, America’s top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Operation Northwoods was developed as a way to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba’s then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
America’s top military brass contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: “We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba,” and, “casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”
The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy’s defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.
The plan reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
Documents show “the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government”.
The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.
Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, “the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic].”
The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.
The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure.

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At least one of the two pilots of all four of the flights were formerly in the military, and some had combat experience in Vietnam.

The captain of AA Flight 11 was an ex-Air Force fighter pilot in Vietnam and joined American Airlines in 1979. His co-pilot, flew F-14 fighters for the Navy.

The captain of UAL Flight 175 was a former Navy fighter pilot of the Vietnam era.

The captain of AA Flight 77 was a graduate of the Naval Academy and honour graduate of the Navy “Top Gun” school, in Miramar, CA. He flew F-4 Phantoms for the Navy. He then left the Navy in 1979 to join American Airlines.

The first officer of UAL Flight 93 was an Air Force Academy graduate and a former Air Force pilot.

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And quite simply…. NO 757 CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON….
Obviously none of you have ever researched the Pentagon strike..
None of you have ever looked at the pristine Pentagon lawns after the “plane” hit.
None of you have seen the small 16ft diameter hole caused by the initial explosion…. The Pentagon collapsed some 20mins later….. in case your wondering….
NO FOOTAGE OF A 757 has ever been released…. dispite the fact the Pentagon is the most secure place in the USA, with at least 6 cameras along the impact wall itself….
Sercurity footage was taken by FBI agents from a nearby service station and the Marriot Hotel.

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Quite simply as lovers of aviation most of you seem not to care that the NTSB was not allowed to investigate the crashes…. even though it has investigated hijackings and bombings before….

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As lovers of aviation you should know that JETFUEL CAN NOT BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT STEEL UNLESS ITS BURNING IN A FURNESS…

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As lovers of aviation at least some of you should be able to see that no wreckage was found at the Pentagon of a 757…. nor was there anything found at Shanksville….

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As lovers of aviation (those of you who hold pilots licences at least) should know that it would a very good damned pilot who could fly a 757 at 4000MPH , 30 ft over the ground following terrain for 800meters.
As lovers of aviation you should question how a pilot with less the 200hrs flying time who couldnt fly a C172, pilot a twin engine jet equipped with EFIS and a FMS.

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Some of you better do some research instead of simply nodding your heads at what the Government tells the media.

Still its a nice fanciful design….. even if its not stealthy…

100% CGI ???? Er what makes you say all that????

Please elaborate some people……..

And is there a link to the non-fuzzy picture? Where did the article come from?
Gotta explain these things…..

As CGI really isnt THAT good….. and it simply looks like an engineering mock-up….. made of wood, fibre glass or whatever. This might just be some pipedream someone thought of..

OR are we all simply saying the Chinese cant possibley be that good???

Hmmm… and here i was thinking this was an aviation forum…..

Frankly if a “new” plane/ helicopter/flying machine comes to life i really dont care who builds it. A military aircraft is designed to kill. It may look ugly, pretty, go fast, go slow, built by commies, yellow hoardes, muslims or damned aliens.

If yous gonna be critical… be critical about the aircraft….. not the politics behind it.
So what if its a warmed over F-5E…. for all you know it may have FBW, Electronically Phased Array Radar, and invisiable paint !

The smaller airforces on this planet are in need of a cheap, small aircraft such as this.
Apart form the AMX what else is available as a simple day/night fighter? Hawk 100 ?? F-7 ???

Lets stick to the topic……

yes it “looks” like an F-5….. but the only item which looks like its a direct copy is the canopy. Looking at the rest of the plane not one part of the fuse looks like an “exact” copy. It has different lines… Engines appear larger also…. as well as the radome.