sharmajiSteve
here is the news article you posted
NEW DELHI: The pilots in the Indian Air Force have reportedly refused to fly the ageing MiG 21 in view of the fatal casualties and have demanded of the authorities to immediately replace the extremely demanding fighter aircraft.
Inside sources in the IAF said that after a Flying Officer, G.S. Grumman, managed to eject from his troubling MiG-21 in Jamnagar on Friday last, the young pilots assembled at the Base and lodged their written protest over forcing the fliers to have sorties on these machines which have been nick-named as “flying coffins” in view of the high rate of crashes and the loss of human lives.
The pilots’ assembly almost wore the look of a street protest, an unknown phenomenon in military, but seniors prevailed to cool down the young pilots assuring them of the redressal of their grievances.
“We may be the rookie, bright-eyed and full of swashbuckling spirit but we cannot fly these ‘flying coffins’ without adequate training and monitoring by our seniors,” said an agitated young pilot.
It may be mentioned here that the youngest pilots for the maximum number of sorties fly this oldest aircraft in the IAF.
Coupled with inadequate flying skills, lack of situational awareness and errors of judgment, the MiG-21s with several design limitations form a deadly mix, admitted an officer.
The Friday’s crash, as per preliminary investigations, was caused due to an engine flameout.
Technical defects and human errors have caused 40 per cent each of the around 320 category-I crashes (where the loss in men and the machine is total) witnessed by the IAF since 1990-1991, with the rest being attributed to bird hits and other factors, said Group Captain A.V. Thakurdesai, Director of the IAF Flight Safety Department.
Steve Rush ~ Touchdown-News
where was the link lol! So we googled and we found the daily times, daily times is a Pakistani paper, I do not care if ANi used it or not, ANI are idiots if they think that the IAf speaks to Pakistani papers.
IAF pilots refuse to fly MiG 21: Report
The pilots in the Indian Air Force have reportedly refused to fly the ageing MiG 21 in view of the growing fatal casualties and have asked the authorities to immediately replace the fighter aircraft.
Daily Times quoted sources in the IAF as saying that after a Flying Officer GS Grumman, managed to eject from his troubling MiG 21 in Jamnagar last Friday, the young pilots assembled at the base and lodged a written protest over forcing the fliers to have sorties on these machines which have been nick-named “flyingcoffins” in view of the high rate of crashes and the loss of human lives.
The pilots’ assembly almost wore the look of a street protest, but seniors prevailed to cool down the young pilots assuring them of the redressal of their complaints. Coupled with inadequate flying skills, lack of situational awareness and errors of judgment, the MiG 21 has several design limitations from a deadly mix, admitted an officer.(ANI)
ANi simply repeated the same daily times bs
http://www.webindia123.com/news/sho…32419&cat=India
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IAF pilots refuse to fly MiG 21: Report
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Daily Times quoted sources in the IAF as saying that after a Flying Officer GS Grumman, managed to eject from his troubling MiG 21 in Jamnagar last Friday, the young pilots assembled at the base and lodged a written protest over forcing the fliers to have sorties on these machines which have been nick-named “flyingcoffins” in view of the high rate of crashes and the loss of human lives.
This garbage goes on and is published by dailytimes and reposted by ANI retards, good for dailytimes but dailytimes does not get access to IAF officials, its a damn Pakistani paper!
NEW DELHI: The pilots in the Indian Air Force have reportedly refused to fly the ageing MiG 21 in view of the fatal casualties and have demanded of the authorities to immediately replace the extremely demanding fighter aircraft.
Inside sources in the IAF said that after a Flying Officer, G.S. Grumman, managed to eject from his troubling MiG-21 in Jamnagar on Friday last, the young pilots assembled at the Base and lodged their written protest over forcing the fliers to have sorties on these machines which have been nick-named as “flying coffins” in view of the high rate of crashes and the loss of human lives.
The pilots’ assembly almost wore the look of a street protest, an unknown phenomenon in military, but seniors prevailed to cool down the young pilots assuring them of the redressal of their grievances.
“We may be the rookie, bright-eyed and full of swashbuckling spirit but we cannot fly these ‘flying coffins’ without adequate training and monitoring by our seniors,” said an agitated young pilot.
It may be mentioned here that the youngest pilots for the maximum number of sorties fly this oldest aircraft in the IAF.
Coupled with inadequate flying skills, lack of situational awareness and errors of judgment, the MiG-21s with several design limitations form a deadly mix, admitted an officer.
The Friday’s crash, as per preliminary investigations, was caused due to an engine flameout.
Technical defects and human errors have caused 40 per cent each of the around 320 category-I crashes (where the loss in men and the machine is total) witnessed by the IAF since 1990-1991, with the rest being attributed to bird hits and other factors, said Group Captain A.V. Thakurdesai, Director of the IAF Flight Safety Department
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/defaul…6-2-2004_pg4_21
ENOUGH SAID
WHAT A BIAS, IF I HAD POSTED AN ARTICLE FROM A NORTH KOREAN PAPER ABOUT THE EVIL AMERICANS, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BIASED, THIS TIME A PAKISTANI PAPER CLAIMS THAT IT HAS INSIDE UNNAMED IAF SOURCES AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT!
andyes Steve I have already taken my case to ANI.
sharmajiThis Indian bashing Pakistan and Pakistanis bashing India is getting really bad and we need to do something about it, the webbies will not do such a thing. I think that we should strictly enforce a rule where non aviation related discussion gets reported to the wM for immediate banning. It is obvious that If I were to say that all Pakistanis are terrorists, it would cause flaming, it also works the other way around when I see Pakistanis saying things like muslims dying everywhere in India etc, something which is not true at all and Pakistnai propaganda, sure there are problems btw communities, sometime svery bad ones like in Gujurat, thank God for the Supreme court which has reopened all the cases, hopefully all those losers, both Hindu and muslim crooks will get the death penalty, but religion is not a main issue in India s much as you Pakistnais believe, the BJp is talking more and more about economics rather than the Ayodhia mosque issue for example, it is obvious when you people make dumb comments like muslims are dying in Inda etc, it invites flaming, of cours there are muslims in India who have been persecuted, see the INDIAN MEDIA for details, india is a 3rd world country and has a billion people and a corrupt police force, heck even the Pm’s nephew was killed a few weeks ago and the police was blamed for doing nothing but India is mproving, the majority of the populaiton udstand that politicians use religions, 999% of the population could care less about religion in politics, come to Mumbai and I will show you how muslims and hindus get along fine. I am proud that my President is a muslim and more importantly, he was the head of the missile programme, kudos to him, Asim Premji and others.
sharmajiI have the right to have problems with Arthur, Arthur andSteve have used language as well, so I say, we take all the garbage over here, Darth, PLA, everyone can call whoever they want trash over here, not there, let us talk about Pak/Ind aquisitions, news etc in the other threads.
There are flamers on both sides, both can come here and do their dirty work. We are all guilty of flaming sometimes, so better flame the flame here.
sharmajiAll I want is for people tostick to topic and stop talking about stuff unrelated to aviation!
my opening comments are simple copy and paste from various members
If people want to talk about xenophobic Indians or fundamentalist Pakistnais, this is the right place to do it., laeave the Pak and Ind threads alone. this is not an optimal solution but its better that this thread gets locked rather than three threads.
sharmajiI wonder where the Web Master is when we hear comments such as
“we will nuke every major Indian city”
“until we muslims came, India was in the dark ages”
a lackof history lessons is bad.
sharmajiThe PAF wants a basic BVR fighter, as long as this radar can be intergrated with the Sd-10, then there should be no problem. Besides its a much cheaper radar than the other guys.
sharmajiHaley, the F-7 is a MiG-21 copy, I do not need to explain to you why this is so. What Chinese plane is the Taiwanese fighter a copy of exactly, please, do enlighten us?
sharmajiOverall I do not think that the kill ratio was as high as 4 to 1, because that would mean that the IAf kicked butt in BVR but I am not alien to the possibility. The most important thing for the IAf is to see how they have improved in BVR since the French, did they learn lessons from the French and then how did that make them fight better in this exercise.
sharmajiSome sketchy Canadian has a problem with the fact that Taiwan and China are two different countries.
sharmajinah 4 to one is too much, but first the french, now the US, at least now we know that there is proof that the IAf is a well trained force. While others sit on the ground, the IAf trains, those Su-30Ks have been in service for 7 years and it shows on them.
sharmajiWell maybe all those CDF members who were able to take pics of the secretive J-10 could take a few pics of those 3 huge carriers for us. Its not easy to keep the construction of such ships top secret. Even if it were true, it would take a while for China to formulate the 3 carriers’ strategies, it would take time for the crews to get accustomed to a carrier, it would take time to get other ships to protect the carriers etc. China’s best bet is on subs, a Chinese sub has more of a chance of getting within firering distance of an american battlegroup with long range missiles for example than any Sukhoi ever will.
sharmajiUmm I wonder if that mystery country could be China, they would be the only ones who would need such a missile against US AWACS
Now here is my question
the missile has a 400km range but what fighter has such a radar to be able to detect an AWACS at such a distance anyway?
sharmajiEspecially in the deserts, both India and Pakistan will have heavy troop formations where AAA and MANPADS, SAMS etc will dominate. I do not see any way how the Hind or the Cobra will have any major impact on the war. Maybe this is why the IAf only operates 35 hinds and Pakistan only 20. Pakistan will have 58 yes, but then again it is getting those for free via American aide money and that is one of the few weapons that they can get so…
sharmajiBoth the Hind and the Cobra have their strengths and weaknesses but really who cares anyway. In the modern age of MANPADS, heck even tanks can fire missiles in the air these days, those slow moving things won’t stand much of a chance. I can still picture that famous Iraq war pic last year where the happy farmer is standing with an AK-47 besides a downed Apache. Heck RPGs can bring down those turtles.
As for the Hind itself though, its more heavily armoured than the Cobra except for one place, the back, the Hind’s tail is not armoured at all, Afgans were trained by the CIA to shoot in that area al the time with RPGs until the Stingers came into the theater.
sharmajiWhat is the maintainance commonality btw the Sukhoi and the MiG, won’t that cause a problem?
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