Remember that you are talking to people who believe that the FC-1 is equal or superior to the SU-30s (better tell China to retire those then)
oh now we have the latest example of stellar pakdef aviation expertise, PAF pilots are good because they fly different types of acs, why bother arguing with them, remember they won in 71 too as certain member claimed before, so just let it be.
Woloverine, I think that poor PLA and PAF FAn are so desperate that they have even started to try to ruin the Saudi thread by mentioning India, lol, let them, they make us look better.
kfdrat
Please if you believe that with all the American tech that Saudi has, do you actually believe that the US will not hamper the Saudi war effort, read american gps and war equipment embargoes! and there is no denying that there are a lot of foreigners as maintainance workers in Saudi Arabia, you actuallybelieve that the French etc will stick around to maintain your planes if there were to be war btw Saudi Arabia and Israel.
In fact i feel sorry for Saudi Arabia, they have spend so much money on equipment which they will not even be able to use properly, look at Israel, they get better weapons and aide as well, Saudi Arabia pays cash for downgraded F-15s, be smart, but french!
I fail to see what the Indian economy has to do with aviation. I mean there is the internet and people know what is going on with Asian economies, so why do we have to talk about it here?
This thread is stupid, unless you bring up Janes, World Air Force enclyclopedia etc to show the dif btw propaganda and facts, this thread will only end up getting us a bad name, so please stop it.
Hamburgur
Pakistanis are south Asians, unless they hail from west of the Indus river, so comparisons btw thesame gene pool are irrelevant.
Triple, this is a flame thread, if PLA and others could talk about India for no reason on the Saudi thread, I cannot imagine what will happen here. If you want to create a meaningful thread about IAf flying hours and PAf flying hours and/or IAF vs PAf combat records from neutral sources, you are welcome but this is just bringing us down to their levels, this is just not pakdef, live with that.
Why do Pakistanis bring India into a Saudi topic and then claim that Indians are flamers!
Saudi has a good af on paper but poor pilot training and to be honest you have to be a fool to believe that all those foreign maintainance workers will stick around if the House of Soud decides to play nasty with Israel.
Who will maintain their planes then?
How will those GPS guided bombs work when Uncle Sam stops the signal?
Saudi Arabia is an impotent state and their leaders are but US puppies, hopefully with the changing time someone has realized this and they will buy French or somehting similar and thius the impotency factor will be solved.
Sabre
Encyclopedia of Air Warfare, janes etc tend to equate the PAF with honour andprofessionalism, however it is their army generals who tend to love propaganda, such things as IAf loosing so many planes while the PAF was sleeping are but common examples, even in defeat, they try to find some sense of victory, its sad actually. Even if it were true actually its still sad, the Japs had shot down more American planes at the begining of WW2, it did not stop them from getting their carriers sunk, the Germans always had a good combat record vs the allies, they lost, as or the PAf’s inflated figures as Janes, ACIG and others love pointing to, as they said propaganda…….
In any event as an Indian who has not been brainwahsed like our friend PLA, I will always say that the PAF is a good AF and I have talked to a few IAF personel (not about the IAF getting f-22s and stuff lol) but what they thought about the PAF and they told me that they respected them, end of story.
Wether Pakistanis like it or not, the IAf logs more filght hours per pilot
The IAF has more advanced training
The IAF has better equipment
The IAf has/is training with other AFs!
Lack of diversity because IAF pilots can fly their planes and do not hae to fly toerh ones because the IAf can afford to train all its pilots?
LMAO
and nice flamebait with the inferiority complex
I just love the way PLA talks about being a moderate while trying to put the inferiority complex thing in every single post that he can think of!
lol
At the end of the day you believe that the PAF is better trained, it does not matter if the IAf has more training, has had more exercises with international forces, has more modern tech etc, its a post independence phenomenon that has brainwashed you to think that you are not South Asians and thatyou are thus superior to all Indians, how pathetic.
1 Pak= 10 Ind
lol, this is actually widely accepted in PAKdef, the FC-1 being better than the SU-30 thread simply prooves my point. We are all actually loving what pakistanis are doing here, continue and give your people a bad name, but seriously your people still deserve better than that.
Has there ever even been a chinese plane at a western air show?
I do not think so, we can only hope that at some People’s day parade, some cdf member will have a camera handy
How pathetic, we were surely nourishing the enemy when they occupied Indian territory in 99, maybe we were nourishing the genocide in 71 as well, Arthur must be a relic of the Soviet Afgan conflict, still believes that india is anti west and ready to flex its millitary mussles, too bad that Arthur cannot open a history book and relize that the invasions happened the other way around!
If China ever has ambitions of challenging the US then it wil need carriers.
Nope
Pakistani posts tend to be ruined because you guys get over excited over 4 helicopters and then suddeny start talking about beating India like u did in 48, 65 and 71 when all neutral sources point to the opposite direction.
Flaming when i say what exactly!
That threads such as Su-30=FC-1 is stupid
That India has conventional superiority, am I the only one or do all defence analysits say the same things!
For pointing out that people like h177 were racist retards with superiority complexes!
to say that we are all South Asians and hence can only be as smart or stupid as the other side and the fact that your president is as Indian brn as me proves that!
Not accepteing reality and believing that you have won all the wars,etc, that is fantasy, sorry but when someone comes here and says “we beat you in 65 and 71”
lol, u would have to expect a response, at least mine has been nice, I respect the PAk army and even go as far as to say that they will be no cake war, i fact it will be a bloody war which I hope won’t happen.
This Pakistani superiority complex is getting annoying for all of us. first indians have steep learning curves and cannot fly and hence why they crash threads by h177 when we know for a fact that PAF attrition is higher than that of the IAF, then we get the whole FC-1=SU-30MKI BS and now we hear that they have beate us in every war!
NO no Indians think like Pakistanis do that Pakistan is a cake walk, it surely won’t be but one has to look at the aquisitions of one side and the lack of it on the other to realize the difference. 40 cobras will not change the face of the war, the Israeli upgraded Mi-35s should be taken into account, India will win a conventional war, is it any wonder why Pakistan plays the nuclear card ever so often these days.
Pakistan does have a professional army, no Indian ever claimed that we would beat thembecause they are pakistanis, lol, we simply say that we will have the upper hand due to naval, air, etc superiority, we even have more armour and artillery and uavs, choppers, arjuns being inducted, I know that u guys believe that the Arjun sucks because it is Indian, well life is different from racial dillusions especially when weare all South Asians anyway and your President was born in Delhi!
Russia must realize that it does not have the financed to be a major power right now, better cut back on extra fighters, ships etc and concentrate on a smaller but modern force. Research should continue and should receive full funding because Russia is a big country with too many resources to remain poor, give it some time and Russia will rise again.