Forgive my ignorance but what is the millitary budget in USD of russia and what percentage of GDP is it?
Ok fine you want to keep the production line in China for security, but Pakistan could invest or create a production line itself in China where it could chum out J-10s at its own expense, I do not think that 30M for a j-10 is that expensive all things considered. The PAF needs a small but high quality AF and the J-10 is its only option. Besides China could even open up a base in Pakistan to supervise PAF J-10s just to make sure that the Americans do not get too close, its not like China is not construting a naval base there anyway.
Ah Arthur, you bias is so obvious
I ment that we would reallocate funds to the NAVY and AIR FORCE, meaning, the army woud become more of a hi tech defensive force, besides the Navy needs more money, we need to patrol the sas to secure the shipping lanes, this helps our economy, pretty obvious if you ask me!
Well Jonny, the create a thread button is at your disposal to change that!
I also never understood why the PAF did not go for the J-10 instead. Sure it costs about 30M but it offers some nice capability and could definitely compete with the best that India has, with the inferior FC-1, India will always have the advantage. In stead of spendingall that cash on the FC-1, they shoulod have at least invested ina produciton line of J-10s just for Pakistan. Unless of course the Chinese were unwilling to let their birds go to a country that has many an American hunting for Osama, well these Americans could suddenly have a look at China’s weapon of the future, the J-10.
Arthur
why should India give 2 A-50s to Pakistan?
Does the US give its E-3s to Mexico or Canada, why hsould a country ten times the size in pop and economy be balance with Pakistan! It shows your bias towards India
If Pakistan were to stop its Kashmir bleeding India with a thousand cuts policy, I doubtthat we would care much for war and probably concentrate more on the air force and navy.
lol PLA is the biggest hypocrite on the forum, I simply state that the best source that MiG could come up with about the FC-1 and J-10 was, well himself and his connections lol and the great adult thatwe call PLA says “well my aircraft is better than your aircraft”
and it aint your aircraft yetlad, its Chinese!
MiG-Master is the quintessential PAKDEF member, I know of my cousin’s friend who knows an uncle who knows a friend of a friend who told me that the he flew the J-10
Pleaser efresh my memory of how India was dfeated in 71, I thought that the surrender came from the Pakistani side?
We lost in 65?
Encarta calls it a stalemate.
As for the Cobra, phantom, isn’t it reasonable to assume that the reason why te Cobra is still so widely used is simply due to economics and expensive alternatives and the fact that most armed forces bar the US have seen their defence budget go down!
The MIG-21 is still widely used everywhere, but it is an obsolete ac when faced with modern day air defence systems. I cannnot imagine the Cobra vs the Tongustas and the new gen Russian MANPADS.
How was Indian1973’s post irrelevant to the thread?
Srbin grow the heck up
As far as this Indian inferiority complex, I think that its more of a case of Pakistani superiority complex, and please do not bring up 65, I can simply talk about 71 and how Pakistan as we knew it then does not exist anymore because of that. Stick to helis
I wonder if the Cobras have the helmet mounted sight like the Apaches do?
Pakistan is no Israel, you are the ones dreaming, please compare your equipment to theirs! I do not even need to say more, there is actually more Israeli equipment in the IA etc than in the PA so we are actually closer to them than you are, stop this Pakistan can always match India even if they have better weapons, we will still beat them because 1 Pak= 10 Ind
T-72s may not be able to handle abrhams but last time I checked the PAK army did not have those either. Noone is saying that the PAK army is a cake walk but 20 or 60 Cobras will not change much, from two weeks ago’s thread I understand that many of you guys believe that the FC-1 was even superior to the Su-30 (h177) but stop kidding yourselves, as far as combat losses in the air, hmm, are you using pakistani sources to say that the IAf got its butt kicked?
lol
anyway the cobras themselves are not obsolete for South Asia, true but they are too small in numbers to adversely change the wind of war. The Americans found out that their Apaches would be too vulnerable to handle the Yugoslav army, I think that the Indian army could do better vs Cobras!
But yes, having Cobras is better than nothing, absolutely agree.
I’m just confused about the amount of MiGs we will be getting, I’ve heard 16, 20, 24,28,30, even 60 in batches!
Didn’t India pay 1.6B for 40 MKIs!
if you minus logistics, training etc, you would get about 37.5M!
Come on a 29 canot costthe same as a Sukhoi!
I doubt that he is for real Victor, I’d even bet that he is not Chinese and is trying to degrade the rep of Chinese posters around here with claims that this Chinese is the best product in the world etc, now we have India having 1950s era armies while the bulk of the PLA is no better lol. Yes, China can make tanks every year?
ok then please make it happen, you have a lot of old tanks that are useless, if you can make so many tanks, why not just do it then!
As for the Cobras, I wish the luck, those MANPADS and Tungustas will love hearing from them, the Indian army probably has one of the densest air defence network in the world!
Besides if an RPG 7 can bring down a US apache, well….