As SpudmanWP mentioned, I was referring to written material ad brochures from KAI about integrating BVR weapons (in particular, the Derby missile) to the FA-50, I assume that they had integrated it by now but it looks like they’re waiting for the customer to opt for augmenting the FA-50 rather than the other way around. I think it’s a bit foolhardy to enter a fighter tender competition in 2017 against the F-16 and Gripen without beyond visual range capabilities “out of box”? Perhaps this is Lockheed’s way of keeping their “side project” on a leash, so it wouldn’t interfere with F-16 sales? Finalizing Derby or AMRAAM capabilities would certainly HELP the FA-50s chances, but as ananda pointed out, it’s being used as a way to keep costs down to $30 million per aircraft. It’s really a trade off, making the aircraft more capable but increasing costs would scare off budget conscious customers, but keeping the FA-50 a solely WVR fighter may hurt it’s sales potential to air forces looking for a more capable as well.
In Croatia’s case, while they are obviously “Budget conscious”, they must also balance out national defence needs vis a vis their regional rival, Serbia, who are rebuilding their own air force.
I know this is a little out of the sphere of discussion of the KF-X thread, but it didn’t seem to warrant a whole new thread and it is a Korean Aerospace topic.
Recently Croatia has officially opened a competition to replace their aging MiG-21 fighters with either new F-16s, Gripens, Israeli F-16s (the Barak) and Korean FA-50s.
http://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/19995-croatia-buying-new-fighter-aircraft
Now, this hasn’t come out of the blue, Croatia has been looking to replace their MiG-21s for a while now and while looking more into the subject, there was a Croatian article in Croatia’s Večernji List newspaper on January of this year on the pros and cons of buying the FA-50 with an interview with the FA-50s project manager Joonho Song.
https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/voditelj-projekta-juznokorejskih-zrakoplova-joonho-song-fa-50-kostao-bi-vas-30-milijuna-dolara-upola-manje-od-svih-konkurenata-1142528
If I’m to trust Google Translate, there’s part of the interview that caught my attention, where Mr. Song says the FA-50 in it’s current state, would be inferior to refurbished MiG-29SMT fighters in beyond visual range combat. Now this caught me by surprise, I would have thought the combination of the Israeli EL/M-2032 and Derby missile would be superior to the MiG-29SMTs Zhuk-ME and R-27, but then again, could this indicate that the Derby still has not been successfully integrated into the FA-50 yet as was originally planned?
Oh right, I forgot the model from Zhuhai last year, t hose are definitely PL-12s on there!
Are there any closer pics of the JL-10 model at the Paris Air Show? I’m curious to see what sort of ordinance it’s carrying on it. We’ve yet to see the L-15 with any sort of medium range missile yet.
China successfully tests solid-fuel missile engine, state media says
Here’s some interesting news on long range air-to-air missiles.
I’m surprised nobody posted last weeks (finally) confirmed JF-17 sales to Nigeria and Myanmar
Official 2016 Nigerian budget confirms JF-17 order
Although there have been multiple reports of Nigerian officials and state documents listing the purchase, this is first-hand confirmation from the Government of Nigeria.
For 2016, Nigeria has issued USD $15.88 million for the purchase. However, the proposed 2017 budget lists USD $68.76 million for “platform acquisitions … for counter air, counter surface, air ops for strategic effect and air support operations.”
Myanmar Air Force confirms purchase of JF-17 «Thunder» fighter jets
The officers of the Myanmar Air Force confirmed that the purchase of a JF-17 «Thunder» fighter jets was approved. They said the order was part of a deal signed by China, Pakistan , and Myanmar.
There was a 1:5 model of an improved variant of the L-15 at this years Zhuhai air show called the L-15B which was described as a multi function attacker fighter trainer with . The model appears to be equipped with 360° MAWS, engine with afterburner, PESA radar, ARINC 429 Bus and 11 hardpoints. The model also appears to be armed with PL-12 missiles.
What about the AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo, surely as a twin engine aircraft it would sit within the ‘medium’ category of early 4th generation fighter aircraft? Commercially it was… a disaster, with the initial order being cut down and having no export market, but to be able to produce their own fighter aircraft roughly equivalent to what the US and the Soviet Union was fielding at the time (early block F-16s and MiG-29s) was as big accomplishment.
The model of L-15 ordered by Zambia is the L-15Z, which have a PESA combat radar and have seem to have been transferred to a combat unit (15 Squadron). We don’t know what sort of FTC-2000 is being ordered by Sudan, but given that they already operate aircraft like the Fulcrum, Fencer, F-7M, putting a small order of just 6 JL-9s in a combat role would be a bit unusual. There are proposed variants with a variety of combat radar though and there is a possibility they could be used to retire some of Sudan’s more antiquated aircraft.
Sudanese order for six FTC-2000 jets announced
Looks like the JL-9 has finally snagged a foreign buyer, the Sudanese Air Force. Probably to fill the advanced trainer role that they currently lack, rather than a more combat oriented role like the Zambian L-15s.
Is the L-15’s radome really any smaller than the J-7’s? The radar was likely developed from that line of technology.
The J-7 shock cone is VERY small, smaller than the MiG-21s. Guizhou have had more experience with the J-7 airframe with their JJ-7 and JL-9 aircraft. Perhaps its related to the Q-5 somehow? Anyway it’s a unique radar, which itself is odd since the PLAAF is moving towards a more uniform mass upgrade of capabilities rather than piecemeal upgrades. It was probably developed for export only. Which really brings me to another point, did the L-15Z/L-15AFT sale UNDERMINE a potential JF-17/FC-1 sale? Is the
$100 million sale ($16.6 million each with equipment, weapons, radar and crew training package) of the more combat oriented L-15AFT a future threat to sales of the JF-17 in 3rd world markets?
there’s nothing more they can do since the l-15s radome is small to begin with. sometimes radar size equals range.
Well that’s exactly my point. If a very small, lightweight PESA radar has been developed for the L-15, it’s conceivable that it could be export by itself, as part of an upgrade package for other small randomed aircraft, like the RACR and SABR radar platforms. This could be an especially lucrative possibility if longer range air-to-air ordinance were made compatible with it in the future.
I’m curious about the radar and its capabilities because the L-15AFT variant is such a small radome. 110km isn’t very powerful, but a very small, modular PESA radar for export as an upgrade package might be inciting for some 3rd world customers. TBH I never expected the L-15 to become an active combat platform. If it was compatible with PL-12 or the simplified SD-10A export variant it could be interested, even if Passive ESA development is a dead end.