so which of these aircraft actually have some use for an air force, or are both simply impractical for most modern air forces?
An Italian pilot once said, the AMX, costs as much as the F-16 with half the capabilities.
Hawk 200.. even worse?
The AMX performed decently over Kosovo and it kept Brazilian Reals in Brazil and helped develop Embraer’s capabilities but it, along with the L-159 and the Hawk 200, to have been a compromise of too many things into a single package, neither as heavy as tank killing ground-attack aircraft such as the A-10 or Su-25, not as light and nimble as turbo-prop COIN aircraft and unable to perform proper ‘fighter’ roles such air-to-air combat or air policing. It’s all theoretically capable of doing this things to a certain extent…. but other than ground attack, its not nearly good enough at anything of these duties to really justify the price tag. These 80-90s vintage ‘combat aircraft’ were all designed for a niche that never really existed and in the case of the Brazilians and Czechs, can probably be seen as a more of a government ‘make work’ project than anything else. Nowadays we are seeing a similar concept, light attack/advanced training aircraft which are also expensive but far more capable than these aircraft such as the KAI T-50, the Alenia Aermacchi M-346, Hongdu L-15 and Yak-130, will thse aircraft fall into the same mistakes these earlier aircraft fell into?
On latest interview with Local defense magazines Angkasa, the Air Force Chief Imam Sufaat already stated that the T-50 that TNI-AU will get has the abbility for Air-Ground attack. In short it will be LIFT versions (thus have light fighters capabilities)
Actually the overall package deal cost USD 400 mio (as stated in my previous posts from Korea Times). However since this deal also in line with the deal from DI/IAe for Korean Costs Guard CN-235, the net deal that KAI will get only USD 280 mio (in which KAI has also to share with Lockheed). On local magazines the Air Force sources indicated the T-50 costs them around USD 22 mio – USD 25 mio.
BTW, I seconded on Hawk 200, on considerations the deal costs too much (well the Hawk 200 deal was in Soeharto’s era and brokered by his Children thus the Hawk 200 costs more that F-16 :D)
I wonder, do you think Indonesia would consider South Korea’s single-seat KAI FA-50 light fighter in the future as well?
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-6-0
Wreckage from the aircraft shot down over Ras Lanuf yesterday ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12657396 the guys first day!) has now been confirmed to be a Sukhoi Su-24MK of the 1124 Squadron
From the Al-Jazeera live blog (which is under creative commons so its ok to copy and paste)
Nasser Wedday, an activist and blogger, says that plane that was shot down by opposition forces is a Su-24 plane.
The numbers on it also reveal that the plane is from Squadron 1124 which is based at the Ghurdabiya-Sirte Air Base in Sirte, just half-way to Benghazi.
Weddady says that this can be confirmed by a military expert or by consulting Jane’s World Defence which gives the order of battle of the Libyan airforce – specifies which base has which squadron, and type of plane is at each base.
He says it is very strange that MiG 23’s have not been used yet, as these are meant to be the backbone of the Libyan airforce. Weddady says that this could be because of pilot defections or the abscense of ground crews.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-6-0
Wreckage from the aircraft shot down over Ras Lanuf yesterday ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12657396 the guys first day!) has now been confirmed to be a Sukhoi Su-24MK of the 1124 Squadron
From the Al-Jazeera live blog (which is under creative commons so its ok to copy and paste)
Nasser Wedday, an activist and blogger, says that plane that was shot down by opposition forces is a Su-24 plane.
The numbers on it also reveal that the plane is from Squadron 1124 which is based at the Ghurdabiya-Sirte Air Base in Sirte, just half-way to Benghazi.
Weddady says that this can be confirmed by a military expert or by consulting Jane’s World Defence which gives the order of battle of the Libyan airforce – specifies which base has which squadron, and type of plane is at each base.
He says it is very strange that MiG 23’s have not been used yet, as these are meant to be the backbone of the Libyan airforce. Weddady says that this could be because of pilot defections or the abscense of ground crews.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-6-0
Wreckage from the aircraft shot down over Ras Lanuf yesterday ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12657396 the guys first day!) has now been confirmed to be a Sukhoi Su-24MK of the 1124 Squadron
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-6-0
Wreckage from the aircraft shot down over Ras Lanuf yesterday ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12657396 the guys first day!) has now been confirmed to be a Sukhoi Su-24MK of the 1124 Squadron
Captured Libyan Floggers
Looks like the Rebels are building an air force from captured air bases near Benghazi and Tubruk, the question if they can even get off the ground though remains to be seen.
Captured Libyan Floggers
Looks like the Rebels are building an air force from captured air bases near Benghazi and Tubruk, the question if they can even get off the ground though remains to be seen.
The only comptetitors I can see are the Gripen C/D and JF-17
As the F-35 finally get inducted into European Air Force theres a good chance that their newer F-16s could be refurbished and sold at a low price. I Also think trainer/fighters like the Korean F/A-50 could give the Tejas a run for their money. While some may speculate that having an American engine could possibly hurt the Tejas sales (embargoes etc.) for any potential sale of the F/A-50 variant, could attract buyers with such direct involvement with Lockheed Martin and the many benefits that may bring. Hongdu has mentioned at the most recent Zhuhai Air Expo that the L-15 trainer could potentially carry a PESA radar which would make it quite formidable for such a small aircraft. The JF-17 is a very modular, simple aircraft and combined with China’s history of low interest loans for military equipment, could potentially net sales in 3rd world markets that India’s Tejas may not be to compete at, not to mention the fact the China and Pakistan have been rather open in sharing technology and setting up domestic production with any potential buyer.
This is of course all speculation though, many countries are going to need new aircraft regardless in the coming years anyway though, fleets of old MiG-21bis, Mirage III, F-5E and F-4 desperately need to be replaced as they get more and more older.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/24/AR2011022402884.html?hpid=topnews
Washington Post has reported that protestors and Air Force personnel have captured an Air Force base near Misurata and have disabled all the aircraft so they can’t be used against the protestors. Mercenaries were sent to recapture the air base but were pushed back by a captured Anti-aircraft gun.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/24/AR2011022402884.html?hpid=topnews
Washington Post has reported that protestors and Air Force personnel have captured an Air Force base near Misurata and have disabled all the aircraft so they can’t be used against the protestors. Mercenaries were sent to recapture the air base but were pushed back by a captured Anti-aircraft gun.
what country are these mercs coming from?
Most reports and youtube videos (which I won’t post here since they can be rather grizzly) I’ve seen indicated that many are from Francophone Africa, such is Mauritania and Chad, but apparently passports have been found on mercenaries coming from as far away as Cameroon, Nigeria and Eritrea.
what country are these mercs coming from?
Most reports and youtube videos (which I won’t post here since they can be rather grizzly) I’ve seen indicated that many are from Francophone Africa, such is Mauritania and Chad, but apparently passports have been found on mercenaries coming from as far away as Cameroon, Nigeria and Eritrea.
My bad, ‘private aircraft’ would have been a far better term to use, thanks 🙂