This makes the rumoured Rafale deal look even less likely, as the Saudis are no longer going to be looking for a Tornado replacement. With the upgraded Tornados, Typhoons and the F-15S the Saudis have a very effective airforce in equipment terms.

effective air force? with a crashed near 12t flying tomatoes and upgrading the worst reliable bomber on the planet?

Saudies need to replace around 250, change or upgrade are for 48+80 up to 130!

120 others?*

but i still expect somes others bribes scandal coming soon, Bae makes awfull fighters for years, only saudies are the last oiled client to buy thier out of date products!

eurofighter is a bit relic of cold war badly developped and actually techically almost useless, and it’s not saudies oil buizness that will get this fat mama to clinch any other bids!

Rafale shown that more efficient aerodynamics reduce the need of more power, agility is better and climb rate too, to be honest , it seems that the EJ200 does NOT allow Typhoon to fly faster or to climb faster than M88-2/Rafale . From the 12F Pilots (Fox-Three Pdf.): “with four air missiles and a belly drop tank , Rafale climb to 40,000 feet in under two minutes” From Wolfgang Schirdewahn (German Typhoon Chief Pilot) : “With one Tank , 2 sidewinders and 2 AMRAAMs , the aircraft reaches a height of 35,000ft in less than two and a half minutes.” (Flug-Revue) With a full AtoA load (One central big tank and 8 AMRAAMs/ or MICAs) , Typhoon climb at about 230m/s and Rafale climb 260m/s . this was done on the early typhoon, when it was a 9.750t plane, and a Rafale M that is 500kg weighter than the air force one, today typhoon is 11.300t around, leave you own logic make a jugement, anyway, this not help the bird to be “easy” in air!

Dutch korea singapore never flown a dassault plane as client, and each bids the french bird kicked the so falsly called “brit bird” , so don’t be wonder when Dassault clients will wake up to upgrade thier fleet, and it would not stop to 90 eurofighters!

Je suis venu. Moi scie et moi ne croyons pas mes yeux !

je suis venu, j’ai vu et j’en ai pas cru mes yeux!

thx Phil!

France is the european bigest voice about Whales massacres by norway, i doubt they would be nice, but i doubt about DiD statements or francophily , this after syrfing thier web site quotes!

Si tu m’appelles encore une fois “haut-parleur français indigène”, je demande aux modérateurs de te mettre une fessée. En plus c’est un pléonasme.

Nico

ahahahaha :diablo:

Merci.

J’ai noté dans la traduction directe de votre explication de français-anglais que le placement des mots est l’autre manière autour de la façon anglaise.

J’ai noté dans la traduction de ton explication du français à l’anglais, que le placement des mots etait fait de la façon anglo saxonne

J’essaye maintenant d’identifier les mots et le placement de sorte que quand je fais le tranlation je puisse commencer mon éducation en français par attemting pour réarranger les mots de la façon correcte.

Maintenant, j’essais d’identifier les mots et leurs placement de sorte que quand je fais la traduction, je puisse commencer mon apprentissage du français en réarrangeant les mots de la bonne façon

Si je peux obtenir ce droit ……….., l’althought les mots peut être incorrect, ou même manque d’une traduction directe ……, la phrase elle-même peut être plus facile à lire pour le haut-parleur français indigène.

quand j’y arrive, la conprehention des mots n’est pas bonne, ou bien manque d’une traduction directe, les phrases elles-même peuvent être plus facile à lire pour un français moyen

Malheureusement j’ai été sur le poste de nuit et j’ai éveillé pour été des 24 heures droites et pour me concentrer ne peux pas actuellement.

Malheureusement j’ai traivaillé en poste de nuit, je suis eveillé depuis 24 heures d’affillées donc je ne peux actuellement plus me concentrer

Expérimentation maintenant je commence à faire en réarrangeant chaque phrase anglaise d’une manière peu familière avant la traduction. Me dire svp quand une phrase semble la plupart de raisonnable, même si le mot sont erroné.

J’experimente maintenant, en commançant à rearranger chaque phrase en anglais du maniére peu familière et ceux avant traduction. pouvez vous me dire quand une phrase dans l’ensemble est comprehensible, même si l’odre des mots est erroné?

Maintenir ceci satisfont. Amusement il est beaucoup. La rédaction de lui est, beaucoup.

Faire comme ça me satisfait. ça m’amuse beaucoup surtout le fait de rédiger ceci…

c’est pas mal Phil, but French vocabulary is rude, translators aren’t smart on it, as you says “the red car” we say “la voiture rouge”!

good try!

Ooops, looks like that was a blind shot in the dark… Sorry, guys, I wasn’t concentrated this time.. Stand corrected and takin my words back…

EF2000
Empty weight 9752 kg
AB Thrust 180 kN

Su-30MKI
Empty weight 24900 kg
AB Thrust 262 kN

Rafale
Empty weight 9060 kg
AB Thrust 150 kN

EF2000
Empty weight 9752 kg ??????????
AB Thrust 180 kN

the eurofighter Biplace is 11.700t i talk about tranche 1!

so remove 300kg and you have the real weight, 11.400t of the single seat!

it is ridiculous to get T/W ratio on dry empty weight! so we will take on 4 t charges!
to supercruise the plane need to pass 1 in T/ ratio and dry without AB? right?
60kN*2=12t trush?
so 12t/(11.4+4)=0.75

most curious is that rafale will have almost twice range, for the same T/W! 😉

Saudi deal isn’t very clear, if they pay the same amount of Uk mod, that looklike more a swap from uk orders to saudies than a real buizness where sellers makes profits!

anyway, the consortium is so desperate to sell abroad without evaluations thier bird and avoid humiliation from challengers when planes are choose on merit, that even a bad deal (comparated to tornados) with saudies is still les mediocre!

Only becouse the french were pushing Rafale as hard as they could on the Saudis even after the Typhoon selection. In the recent reports of Suadi procurement from france there is talk of lots of helicopters but no Rafales.

uhmm, saudies need 220 new fighters to the futur project, first no one knows the finencial deal “as every deal is clear in that matter” here no one want to say something, so 24? 48? and second, saudies was talking about upgrading tornados IDF, after red shark they was impressed by the fighter that kicked thier @ss , the king traveled to Paris discusing about 48+48 rafales deal, in 2004, so saudies are still in talks with dassault about rafale purchase, the eurofighter was pushed rather tornados upgrade, but the initial rafale saudi deal goes on, to replace the rest of their needs!

don’t be to wonder when saudies will announce bigger rafale buys, :p
because they will never takes on only one source for their air force!

details hided isn’t very glossy for the british, rewarding 2 or 3 times more money than getting could be something you aim to not keep aware to taxes payers..

let’s details comes on table, i plan there ‘ll be bigest surprises to come!

It works for both exports and crashes. 😀

i hope Dassault will not sell rafale to saudies on same poor basis than the brits, it’s so shamefull they even ask to saudi mod to not give details of financials details and investments return as usual in world fighters deals!