So . . . what you’re saying is that if fighter A is superior to fighter B, then its superiority does not count. A fighter is only superior when its pilots win despite the opposing aircraft being superior.

Thus, if an F-15 shoots down a MiG-21, it doesn’t show the superiority of the F-15, since the F-15 is superior & therefore its superiority is discounted.

Can you clarify this for me, please? Do you really mean that you consider aerial warfare as akin to some sort of handicap race, or a sport such as boxing where opponents are matched against those in the same weight class? Do you think it’s a game?

Anyway let`s break this

“what you’re saying is that if fighter A is superior to fighter B, then its superiority does not count” – if A is 4th and B it`s 3rd – it is superior by default, no contest here, a mere procedure in handling the older type

“A fighter is only superior when its pilots win despite the opposing aircraft being superior.” It`s superior when it handles something belonging, first to the same generation and preferably same class

I wasn`t talking about what is fair or not in warfare.

Just pointing out a huge list of targets that fall in easy prey category for an F-15 and should be put under the category- hardly worth mentioning. Period.

the F-15 is a baaaad fighter since it scored only 13 “worthy to be mentioned” by Your logic victories.

1. Point exactly where I said Eagle is a bad fighter

2. How can OLDER GENERATION Fishbeds and Floggers be considered real threats ? Nevermind Su-22 & 25, various other helicopters etc

You may call the MiG-23 an earlier generation of jet compared to the F-15 – but the MiG barely entered frontline service around 3 years earlier than the American jet. Soviet fighter jets similar in technology and generation to the F-15 – MiG-29, Su-27 were not seen outside the USSR till around 1986 – a whole 10 years after the F-15. It’s hardly surprising that the Syrian AF only flew MiG-21 and MiG-23 against Israel in 1982 – that’s all the Soviets had in their military at that time as well.

The 23 WAS a generation older, let`s keep it real.

In service timing that`s a different story, conception & execution wise they are not in the same group.

Bottom line, the most acclaimed fighter jet for it`s hunting prowess actually has 13 (out of 100 + ) victories worth mentioning.

If we keep cool headed the 9 USAF ones were more than one sided scenarios, in those cases their enemies were badly outnumbered and outgunned plus they took on the little brother from the Cold War dance pairs:

F-16 – MiG-29
F-15 – Su-27