The same is true of the ‘which is better’ debate and by glossing over a great many facts, the Spit won the Battle of Britain 🙂
Of course, you mean the Hurricane…. 😀
I don’t know where the software writers of Microsoft’s FS3 got their performance figures from but they’re really easy to shoot down in a Vampire!
I can’t comment on flight-sims, having never tried one, but apart from maybe raw acceleration, the vampire should be seen as a good dog-fighter for a first generation jet? In concept, it had 4 closely mounted 20mm cannon, an excellent all round view for the pilot, good speed, and well balanced controls. Also, having a single centrally mounted engine gave it a good roll rate.
In 1945, the advanced prop-driven fighters: Mustang, Tempest, Griffon Spitfires, etc. had the upper hand in acceleration and manouverability, but if pure jet-to-jet combat had ever been made, then you would have had 2 opposing jets with poor acceleration and equally wide turning circles, so bringing superiority back to differences in the pilots ability again.
There’s a somewhat limited market for them! 😀
Hi Mark,
Yes, as Bruce says, they are Hornet. I have 2, enough fo both panels!
David, your numbers are slightly out – there are three FB5’s, including Jons, and three FB6’s. I think you forgot the one at Cosford, and the one in the field at Henley.
Bruce
Hi Bruce,
I was thinking of the FB6 in Henley. Have I missed another obvious one? (UK based)
Proto Yeovilton
F1 MAM Coventry
F3 Hendon
FB5 VZ193 cockpit
FB5 Cosford
FB5 VV217 DH Museum
FB6 DH museum
FB6 Henley
(FB6 – Former Source collection just exported to South Africa).
FB9 Bournmouth?
I think the problem with Vampires is that they are so similar to Venoms that people see them as the same thing, this has resulted in many airframes that were clinging on to life, simply being let go and scrapped.
??? The situation is even worse for RAF single seat Venoms. The world has 2.
FB.1 cockpit at Doncaster.
FB.4 with the de Havilland Heritage centre.
There are a number of Swiss ones about however.
You seem to be going to an awful lot of trouble to resurruct a Kiddy Kar. No offence I hope, but it is very encouraging to see so much work being done to show us what was a significant aeroplane.
Peter, although I appreciate you don’t mean any offence by your statement … this is entirely why this very significant RAF fighter type has almost dissapeared from the UK, in comparison with its contemporaries: Spitfire and Meteor.
There are only the following single seat vampires in the UK.
Proto x1
F1 x1
F3 x1
FB5 x1.5 (including Jon’s)
FB6 x2 (both Swiss)
FB9 x1
How many Spitfires and Meteors in comparison???
The Vampire fighter has always been overlooked, but it played an important role with the Meteor in forming the back bone of the immediate post-ww2 RAF.
Jon, keep up the good work. Bring this Vampire back to life! 😀
… but in general the types of building which suit aircraft (hangars) are often in keeping with their location – Newark’s Lottery Assisted hangar being a prime example of a development adjacent to an airfield site.
Yeah, absolutely, and although this cost £XXX I bet it didn’t cost £80M, and is perfectly fit for its purpose.
Saving money
In these times of trying to save money and fill the £100+ Billion black hole in UK Gov. finances, let alone the hidden debt on the public’s credit cards, etc. why does every new architectural statement building cost £40M here, £80M there???
It just smacks of vulgar over indulgence.
We live in the UK. Its classed as a wet environment. Ideally you keep aircraft indoors. Does it really cost that amount to build a new T2 hangar (or similar) that could comfortably contain loads of airframes and an educational centre.
However something like this is funded, either through the Lottery, fundraising, or loans, ultimately its our money they are spending.
For £80M the RAFM could fill all of the missing gaps in their collection with real airframes. They could even commission new build examples of all of the extinct types with that sort of budget as well.
What???
Now let me see, £80M can be spent on an “architectural statement” to educate the young, but they can’t raise a penny to restore the Halifax!
No idea, but keen to see what this thread turns up as I have one myself 🙂
Jon
Hi Jon,
Your seat is in perfect as-new condition. My suggestion to you is to leave it as it is!
Fitment of the R2800 has done a power of good to the shape of the cowling. The Ash cowlings look awful – like a thruppenny bit.
Bruce
The R2800 probably doesn’t sound like a bag of spanners either! 😀
Yes, single seat vampire. Jon Howard will require one of these for VZ193 if you want me to put you in touch?
[QUOTE=merkle;1574935]and of interest for you Mr Collins, a crash site recovered radio panel from a DH Hornet.. i will forward pics, i wondered if it was of use to you ?? [QUOTE]
Sounds interesting! Let me know when you have photos please.
Does it look like this?
Hello Chris, these might be useful. Someone posted the gallery a while back but I now can’t remember where. Sourcing the stick might present problems though. The Warplane Aircraft Recovery Group up a Slepe airfield have a very good Master display, including excavated panel. There are currently no laws outlawing dreaming.
Nice photos.
Interesting that the Master uses a Stirling Bomber undercarriage indicator. …should have fun finding one of these, as even the Stirling Project can’t find one! 😀