Hi Cees
There seemed to be a number of potential rare projects gathering momentum in the late 80’s/90’s, many of which were as a result of recoveries:
Me.110 – Germany – to static
JU.87 Stuka – German – to static
Battle – Belguim – to static
Fw.189 – Flying Heritage? – under rebuild to airworthy.
Fw.190 x 2 – Flying Heritage/White One foundation – under rebuild to airworthy.
Sturmovik – Tempest Two – static
Tempest II – Tempest Two – ?
Yak 1 – HAC, East Sussex – under rebuild to airworthy
Halifax – Tenton, Canada – static
Mosquito FB26 – NZ – under rebuild to airworthy
Fiat CR42 – under rebuild to airworthy
Me.109 – several to airworthy
Beaufighter – under rebuild to airworthy
So in brief, we have been spoilt by the variety of the few types I can think of here…. and that’s just the WW2 stuff.
My personal gripe!
There is another “special publication” currently available from all good magazine stockists that lists the Best of British aircraft from the past 100 years.
It’s all very intersting until you realise that the Hornet doesn’t appear?? :confused:
I found some IFF sockets for the vampire Mk5 and Hornet cockpits – very pleased! 🙂
Its great bumping into many well known faces at Whitwick being very central in th UK, which makes this event more worth the while over flea-bay any day. I’m looking forward to next years already.
So after finishing the Battle the next project is powered by a Merlin, a two-seater and it’s black…
Cheers
Cees
I guess two out of three is close enough! 😀
Hi John
You will be pleased to hear this Harrier T4N still exists. It can be found at the Norwich Aircraft Museum, and is owned by a friend of mine Dan Lander.
Being a trainer it had two columns, so maybe the front is a different design to the rear?
I’ll put you in touch.
….oh, and by the way it currently doesn’t have either columns!
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have computer evaloation tests been carried out on the design as the engines are to be rear mounted in a stacked cofiguration is this less stable than mounting the units side by side or is this not feasable given the different engine types as there could be a possibility of a “take off” scenario given the speeds involved ?
Both this and the previous SSC designs will have been evaluated extensively on supercomputers. I remember from the SSC book they re-looked at the Thrust 2 design with computer fluid dynamics software and discovered that at its maximum record speed, they were close to it being very aerodynamically unstable – which they didn’t know at the time, hence the different design for SSC. Just makes you think!
Its a very risky business.
[QUOTE=RPSmith;1318743]I think it’s a long time since the Land Speed Record was held by a “vehicle” with driven wheels. Would it be technically possible (transmission units etc) at over 1000mph?QUOTE]
I don’t think so. You hit a “barrier” in the physical strength of the rotating components, and how much force they can transmit, especially the wheels. You could look at it as the difference between propellor and jet driven aircraft for comparison, and their respective speeds.
It will be interesting to see if the wheel design can be improved to withstand the centrifugal forces imposed on them? I have read the Thrust SSC book, and this seems to have been a big limiting factor in their maximum rotational speed. Also, the previous SSC steered with its rear wheels, because steering the front wheels that are turning at high RPM will create high gyroscopic forces, that would make the car directionally unstable to say the least. I wonder if this new one will be rear steering also?
These LSR vehicles are more an excercise in stable aerodynamics and control systems these days. Richard noble is behind it again, so its likely to get the best out of British engineering against all odds!
… in amongst all of this stuff they only have a pair of DH Hornet main wheels (which were common to the Tempest anyway).
Would love a wander round there nonetheless!
Very well done to all
“Daves” only on this thread!
Hello Dave(s)
I too have been trying to get intouch with Ron. Is he still about?
Hello Rogier
Sorry, the ORB is an abbreviation for Operational Record Book. My copy from 247 covers the vampire era only, and was passed to me from a vampire historian. I am told most ORB’s should be available from the National Archives at Kew, or maybe with the Department of Research at RAF Hendon?
“It must have been an unpleasant flight back to Linton-on-Ouse if they did.” – Indeed.
I’m going to get copies of these Hornet squadron ORB’s in the future, but if you find a copy of the “Hornet File” from Air Britain, it gives a good account of the Hornets in service. Unfortunately the vampire crash is not mentioned though.
Litote! It most certainly is. Thank you.
Although not in my original question, it would be interesting to know if there is a RAF Wattisham connection. Through the grapevine I have heard that there is a book about to be published about the station and if there is then I am sure the author might include a mention if it is not too late.
I am afraid I do not possess Fighter Squadrons of the Royal Air Force. Please might somebody have a look for 247 squadron and a Hornet squadron being on detachment there at the time of the disaster?
Hello Rogier
According to the 247 Squadron ORB, Exercise Foil started on the 25th of June 1949, and finished on the 3rd of July. Their Vampires were operated from RAF Odiham.
My records show that 19, 41, 64 and 65 Squadron Hornets were all operated from Linton-on-Ouse for the duration of Exercise Foil.
So unless an individual aircraft called mayday for example, and had to make a landing at Wattisham, from my records the aircraft involved in this Vampire crash would have operated out of Odiham and Linton.
247 Squadron Operational Record Book extract.
Hello all
As promised, here is the ORB extract from 247 in June 1949, however there is no actual date for the crash:
“JUNE.
OPERATIONS.
All operations, this month, have been overshadowed by the tragic loss of the Commanding Officer, Sqn Ldr A R T Beddow, DFC, who, whilst chasing Hornets at low level in the Ipswich area, struck a house and was killed instantly. This was an Officer who the Royal Air Force could not afford to lose, and his loss will be felt by all who knew him.”
His funeral was held at Odiham Church on the 5th July 1949.
The UK based Hornet squadrons were 19, 41, 64, and 65, so a check on their ORB’s may produce an exact date?
Hope this is of interest,
Hello all
I have a copy of the 247 Squadron “peacetime” Operational Record Book relevant to the time this incident occured. I was given a copy of this because my vampire VZ193 served with that unit in 1949 also!
From memory the ORB states that the vampire and hornet were flying together at low level when the crash occured.
I will re-visit this thread shortly with the exact transcript from the event.
Hi Cees
the mosquito drop tanks do have a moulded ply construction, but as for their metal parts I don’t know.