It wont be going for a few years,if at all as there is a rear fuselage also to go on the back of the cockpit.
So not sure about transporting it to Cockpifest.
Excellent news on your plans! How much fuselage is missing between the tail section and the rear of the cockpit? Are the parts from the same aircraft? Very cool collection!
On another note: Did all of those Firefly cockpit sections shown at the scrap yard survive? What about the Sea Hornet wing? I find it shocking to realize that all of this stuff was still available (and under threat) at such a late date as 1980.
Wondeful photos too!
Richard
The Douglas D-558-1 Skystreak at the National Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola is a world speed record holder (and survivor).
The Bell X-1B, at Wright-Pat now, also achieved world speed records (and survives).
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Richard
The cockpit left the museum & went back to the owner ,the engine was returned to the Fleet air arm museum.
For many years not much was done with the cockpit untill about 5or6? years ago the then owner decided to strip out the cockpit for further restoration??
Part way through this the cockpit lost its home & was left outside .With the extra work needed to put right the stripping out of the cockpit there is also work needed to rectify damage caused by Fairey engineering during there so called restoration.
Should keep me busy for a while.
Any further photos will be much apreciated.
Andrew
That’s very sad, but I am glad that you are going to rectify the situation. How long have you had her, and will she be moving inside anytime soon?
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Richard
It used to look marvelous. What happened? Why was it disposed of, and more importantly, how was it allowed to degrade so badly?!
Richard
Not sure Iād agree about salvage of the aluminium; if that was the case why leave the engine?
…well, there was no other aluminium present at the crash site other than the engine, and can you imagine trying to load that engine onto a camel? š
This form of aluminium salvage in the desert is well known. The scrappies just stick wood inside the fuselage and set it alight. They gather up the globs of aluminium afterwards and haul them off. This certainly was how the Hermes that went down in Mauritania was scrapped, and I’ve heard of a number of other wrecks suffering the same fate.
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Richard
Here’s a very rough translation from the Italian website. It’s a little garbled, but more informative than no translation at all.
My guess is that the aircraft was burned by scrap metal traders. It melts the aluminium, which can easily be collected in globs… rather than large pieces of airframe. It also separates the aluminium from the steel, which doesn’t melt. It appears that the entire steel frame structure is still there though… just below the surface of the sand. Sad to think that it will just whither away to nothing though… it would make a fascinating exhibit, as is, especially if its identity could be traced. Thanks for posting!
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Richard
If you look at the impact of the type on British aviation you have to seriously wonder if it’s actually worth preserving the number we have in the U.K.
It could be also argued that the costs involved in both housing and in some cases moving them by surface transport has been to the detriment of other more worthy aircraft that need either displaying or restoring.
While you might be right about the engineering effect that Concorde had on the British aviation industry, you have to remember what an iconic design that Concorde is, and how important that cache is on museum attendance.
As opposed to aviation nuts like us, most people do not visit museums to see Dragon Rapides or DeHavilland Comets. They go to see the items that are relevant to their lifetimes. Sadly this does not include older types as much as it once did. With each new generation the past achievements become less accessible. It’s a sad truth. Aviation is not the cutting edge field that it once was.
I was talking about this very issue with two curators from internationally recognized museums just a few days ago, and they expressed very similar sentiments.
I don’t have the facts in front of me, but I feel sure that museums which gained a concorde as an exhibit benefitted far more (in terms of visitors) from that one artifact than pretty much any other that they could put in. Having a concorde puts these museums in a special class, at least it does for the average person. It is such a beautiful design that even non-aviation minded people are drawn to it.
Museums that cater solely to the aviation enthusiast have a much harder time drawing attendees than those with a more broader appeal. It’s just the way it is.
Personally speaking, I am very glad that they did their best to save every one of the aircraft that they did. Who here could honestly admit to being willing to swing the first axe at one of these remarkable birds?
Richard
The Hunt brothers have a Havoc project, although, I am not sure whether it is being worked on, or for sale. The project you were probably referring to though was Boston-Havoc Preservation Trust example, based upon the remains of Boston Z2186. This example has been sold on, as reported on this site, with a substantial wing section having been scrapped. Sad to hear this…
Anyone here any further details of the disposition of Z2186?
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Richard
Sent you a PM OU812 Fly… would love to hear from you.
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Richard
It’s got leading edge slats too… so probably not WWII. It’s too ******** up for me to tell though. Any more clues Rob?
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Richard
Curtiss XF15C-1 …. but I can’t say that I got that through knowledge, I must admit. I clicked on the link.
Not sure about the bomb bay door, but guessing that it was taken at Larry Milberry’s place, it’s probably from an Avenger. Would fit the Anglo-US link too. Definitely not a Dauntless diver brake.
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Richard
Fantastic bit of video. Extremely high quality, and very interesting too. Many thanks for posting the link. Were you actually on base, or just off it?
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Richard
EFA Mockup photos at Farnborough, 1986
Here are some photos (really awful ones, so many apologies!!!) that I took of EFA mockup at Farnborough in 1986. Judging from the previous PDF, the EFA mockup was the BAe P.120. Hope these images help.
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Richard
I have the pilot’s seat from Corsair IV KD621. Would love to know how it came to survive, as the actual aircraft was lost at sea during the war.
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Richard
PS. Snapper… thanks for that wonderful story about ‘Babe’ Haddon… it was wonderfully poignant, and equally well told.
PPS. Lindy’s Lad… how come your experience on PA474 was ruined?
As many of the posts above are non-aviation related… why haven’t they been moved to GD. You have all the power Moggy… I just don’t feel you are using it appropriately. You can’t only bring up the one aspect of this mans life, without considering the far larger more sinister aspects of his career. Just editing out the bits you don’t like seems hardly commensurate with your responsibilities. You started this thread, perhaps you should end it now, as it is truly offensive to a lot of people.
Richard