Take care Tim… and get well soon. We are all pulling for you here!
All the best,
Richard
I thought we had some good detectives on this forum? Go back & look at post #20 again…
Well, I see car trailers reflected in the cowling in the first image. I can’t quite make out the logo, but looks like an “RP” in script…. Ron Pratte perhaps? It would tie in the with cars too, and the secrecy to some degree.
Cheers. Richard
PS. But why the secrecy now when the plane is in plain sight, and why the reluctance to say who the owner is? Who restored it? How come this is the first we’ve seen of it? I assume it’s based loosely upon the remains of one of the other Hawaii wrecks, but which one?
You will never see one fly as the engine has now been discredited despite successful development afterwards.
I disagree with that being the reason a Typhoon might never fly. Ignoring the lack of wings available for restoration, there simply aren’t enough rebuildable Sabres around. You can probably count them on one hand. That fact, and the very limited amount of hands on experience available to today’s engine rebuild shops is the key problem in seeing a Typhoon, or Tempest V back in the air. Still, it may happen one day, but the costs will be astronomical!
Cheers,
Richard
Max
As they did not have a long life due to conditions and combat and belly landings/repair and recoding, I am sure there would be at least a couple of dozen P40’s with 260Sqn coded B during the North African Campaign.
As you said, does not know the VintageWings writer difference between the Kittyhawk IA and the Kittyhawk II nor the fact the roundels are clearly different and the difference to the fin/fuselage fillet etc.
Obviously have not been following the story on WIX or Key either. Just writing a paragraph of conjecture for the sake of it.
Mark
Hi Mark… the article does mention that the B&W photos are of a later mark Kittyhawk if you look at the captions properly. I don’t think he is suggesting that they are the same aircraft at all.
Cheers,
Richard
I doubt this is off anything the size of an Avenger, but it is an American throttle quadrant, and probably from a US-designed aircraft. I would have thought it was off something much smaller and more basic, as there are no RPM or Supercharger levers which almost always appear on quadrants from aircraft with big engines, like the Avenger. I would guess it’s from a small trainer or liason aircraft.
All the best,
Richard
Lancs look good in post war schemes – are any restored as such?
I agree! There are a couple in Canada still in their RCAF post-war schemes.
Cheers,
Richard

KB882 in Edmunston, New Brunswick

KB839 Greenwood, Nova Scotia
Just thought everyone might like to see the fascinating article on Vintage Wings of Canada’s site discussing this story. Dave O’Malley has excelled himself, yet again, and there are a lot of truly remarkable details, including photographs from the crash site, and first person reports from someone who witnessed the incident as a boy.

The back-story on the aircraft’s pilot would be worthy of a book all by itself, such was the intrigue in his life.
Anyway, I hope you all enjoy reading it.
Cheers,
Richard
Just thought everyone might like to see the fascinating article on Vintage Wings of Canada’s site discussing this story. Dave O’Malley has excelled himself, yet again, and there are a lot of truly remarkable details, including photographs from the crash site, and first person reports from someone who witnessed the incident as a boy.

The back-story on the aircraft’s pilot would be worthy of a book all by itself, such was the intrigue in his life.
Anyway, I hope you all enjoy reading it.
Cheers,
Richard
These are fabulous photos… truly. While I love the aircraft shots, the one of the lads on the tug is absolutely priceless! Thanks so much for posting them.
Cheers,
Richard
Really enjoyed the video, and hearing Vangelis again after all these years. The Lightning looks magnificent… well done to all involved, and especially to the creative cooperation between the RAF and civilians. It seems like a perfect example of what could occur at other bases. I was pleased to see her wings are able to be disassembled without resorting to saws as well. Do you have a maintenance agreement?
Cheers,
Richard
I think they have more important things on their plate that creating and updating websites.
The guys working on the aircraft surely do have better things to do, but there must be plenty of volunteers with the requisite skills who could keep things up to date online. The Vintage Wings of Canada website, for example, is constantly in flux with wonderful new stories and details several times a week. It brings a lot of extra attention to the collection, and generates a great deal of global interest, as well as extra help when they need it. Personally speaking, I don’t think you will find a finer example of what can be achieved online in the vintage aviation arena.
Cheers,
Richard
Didn’t know about the Dec ’11 shots on WIX; how’d I miss that! Looks like the P-47 has moved a few yards from where I saw it beside the C-82 pod (visible in the background in the WIX shot), and that there’s what looks like a stripped F-86D/K/L nose on its side in front of the Thunderbolt. I don’t remember seeing that. There was an intact F-86D/L ex Georgia ANG out front.
I expect the site is slowly being cleared…but it’ll take years. Many of the “best” of Walt’s treasures have already found new homes, with two–the Mitchell “Wild Cargo” and the F2G racer–having flown again.
Love the Reinert T-bolt pic. Registration looks like N4477N, which if memory serves was either revived or reused on Charles Osborn’s restored P-47D in the early 90s. I think Reinert may also have had the YP-47M Bendix racer that ended up with Yanks Air Museum in California; my guess is he had more than one T-bolt and Walt got an incomplete spare…
S.
I agree with you Steve… the P-47 in Peter’s photo is almost certainly the YP-47M.
Cheers,
Richard
Didn’t know about the Dec ’11 shots on WIX; how’d I miss that! Looks like the P-47 has moved a few yards from where I saw it beside the C-82 pod (visible in the background in the WIX shot), and that there’s what looks like a stripped F-86D/K/L nose on its side in front of the Thunderbolt. I don’t remember seeing that. There was an intact F-86D/L ex Georgia ANG out front.
I expect the site is slowly being cleared…but it’ll take years. Many of the “best” of Walt’s treasures have already found new homes, with two–the Mitchell “Wild Cargo” and the F2G racer–having flown again.
Love the Reinert T-bolt pic. Registration looks like N4477N, which if memory serves was either revived or reused on Charles Osborn’s restored P-47D in the early 90s. I think Reinert may also have had the YP-47M Bendix racer that ended up with Yanks Air Museum in California; my guess is he had more than one T-bolt and Walt got an incomplete spare…
S.
I agree with you Steve… the P-47 in Peter’s photo is almost certainly the YP-47M.
Cheers,
Richard
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Vega
I didn’t claim that it would be easy ! It is remarkable that when trying to permutate possible and impossible that some people manage to come up trumps. Please don’t tell me that the following is not an exact parallel – I can work that out. When no one thought that they could satifactorily maintain, service and safely operate Buccaneers and Lightnings, the South Africans, until just recently, did just that.
Stan Smith
Let us say that you have four or five million of your own cash to put into a Mossie restoration/new build project. If you’re looking for historical accuracy and a lot of maintenance imput, build ply sandwich. If you’re not bothered too much by ‘historical accuracy’ and you are satisfied with the sight and sound of an ‘authentic’ Mossie which for all intents and purposes looks like the real deal and has the merit of longevity without the need for the airframe to be cosseted, then build ally. Don’t forget its cash from your own pocket. What are you going to do ? Of course, if it is cash from the public, then no one really cares !
If you select ply sandwich, you must use the glues of the period in order to conform to historical accuracy. The avionics as such must be of the period – no cheating by including/using GPS to get you from display to display. No A,C,S transponder. No updated radio. It’s a crystal set for you my lad. If you do use the glues of the time – don’t ask me to fly it.
When one really looks at the picture in some detail, you get an ‘authentic’ faithfully reproduced Mosquito which – it transpires – ain’t so authentic or so faithfully reproduced.
Look at the thousands of replica cars on the road that look and sound exactly like the original. They are all equipped with modern braking systems, modern roadholding ability, modern radial tyres etc. Not much historical accuracy there. They are still much sought after.
John Green
Sorry John, but you haven’t the foggiest idea of what you are talking about, and clearly haven’t the slightest bit of professional engineering experience.
While I would agree that it is perfectly feasible to build an all-aluminium Mosquito, the notion that it would only cost around 4 million pounds to build one in the UK is exceptionally naive.
The engineering design requirements alone would cost you far in excess of this, as it will be a wholey new design. The CAA would never let you register it in the UK without going through with type certification either, which would likely run into the tens of millions of pounds. So while you could do it, the big question is why? Why would you put tens of millions of pounds and decades of work into something which would never be worth more than a few hundred thousand at best when you’ve finished? No one would be willing to pay more than that for what you have in mind.
The Glyn Powell route is the only practical way to go. He uses essentially the same manufacturing process as once was used in the war, and it is a proven design. It is as close to an authentic WWII mosquito as is practical today, outside of actually restoring a totally complete original example to flight. Yes, it uses updated glues, and a few mod cons, but to all but the most anal of observers it will be an authentic Mosquito at the end of the day, and something which investors would be willing to pay millions of pounds to buy. This isn’t just a wild stab in the dark like what you have proposed, but actual fact.
Also, comparing cars to aeroplanes is a non-starter. There is a lot more flexibility with modifying car designs and kit cars than there is, or ever will be with aircraft in the UK. While you may enjoy protesting to the contrary, you will be whistling in the wind, as only a fool would follow the path you propose.
Richard
When I saw it in 1996 and again in 1997 it was a simple fuselage, acquired from Earl Rheinert at some point. It was sitting outside, rather than inside either the B-36 or C-82. There was a fuselage for a P-63 inside the B-36 however. I will have to check my photographs, as I can’t remember whether there was a traditional P-47N spine on it or not.
Cheers,
Richard