You must have missed the one I posted last week.
The fact that in the PRC, they don’t truly hide the plane anymore.
They even divulge to visitors from the US the J-10’s from the FTTC are used in air defense of Beijing.
Think this photo reveals a couple of things.
1. The J-11s didn’t replace the Su-27s but only augmented them (maybe replacing them as the Su-27s go for major overhaul).
2. The colors used on the J-11s are different than the original Su-27s. Notice the darker tailfins and the darker sensor(?) on the leading edge of the right tail fin. This is the same color scheme we saw on the probable J-11s in that factory/repair depot photo from a year to so ago.
J-8II in new color scheme? From the light blue color,I think it’s for the Naval.
The photo was taken at SAC and may be more representative of the development of the J-8 series. There are different models there and some on the net think one is the old J-8II-ACT. It might simply be a display.
Both are probably photoshopped, certainly 22 is.
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Those are 12th Division J-8Bs. They came from the 1st Division. The word on the web is the 1st Div replaced them with F models.
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collecting garbage and the Main Stream Media
Aren’t those the same thing?
2nd or 4th prototype?
Plane 03. I don’t havea good photo of this one from the same side.
Plane 01 does indeed have the thunderbolt over the emblem. This one does not.
The positioning of the hud in relation to the canopy frame, as well as the shape of the frame and canopy itself, coupled with the positioning of the warning sign, shows that the cockpit in the first picture is that of a J-10, not an FC-1.
How do you explain the antenna? I can’t find a single J-10 photo that shows the antenna that far forward.
I can’t see how the photo in question isn’t the same as the third FC-1 photo I uploaded. The HUD, emblem, shape all seem to fit with that photo.
I think that cockpit is the FC-1. Look at the antenna in the center of the canoy. In the J-10 it does not go as far forward as it does in the FC-1.
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Grey? I thought they were white…….
Interesting chart but there are at least a few errors. The J-7FS is not a derivative of the J-7E, it doesn’t have the double-delta wing. The other things I noticed are annotation issues. The J-7III is basically the C model and the D model is the J-7IIIA. There isn’t a consistant annotation. Same with the Navalized versions. The J-7EH is basicall a Naval model of the J-7E. The J-7IIH is not just a Navalized version but a distint version used by both aviation forces. There is a navalized version of the J-7II but I don’t know how it would be annotated. In the construction numbers of the Navalized versions an H is added before the number. For example, a J-7II construction number if 7IIxxxx (xxxx being the batch and plane). The H model used 7IIHxxxx. For the Navalized versions of the H model it is 7IIHHxxxx. I have not seen a construction number for Navalized versions other than the H model so I don’t know if it simply adds the H or not. This would cause confusion between Navalized non-H models and AF H models. In the E models the extra H was also added, 7EHxxxx vice 7Exxxx for non naval planes. I have no knowledge if the Navalized versions (as I call them) are anything more than a standard model of the production run just identified as belonging to the Navy or they differ from other planes built in the same batch.
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Another line of thought I found in another forum is that was a 12th Div plane on CCTV but it was one of the original Su-27SKs from the 2nd Div that was cast off.
I don’t think the photo of the AWACS matches the caption which says in the 60s the PLA used a Tu-4. I don’t know what that plane is but looks Russian to me. Hard to read but it looks like the website ref in the lower right hand corner is a Russian website as well (.ru).
Why?
A couple of reasons.
1. Too discover a new J-11 unit based from CCTV is quite unusual Usually there is written media exposure first.
2. The identification of the 12th Division was based on the story CCTV aired that also contained info and shots of a 12th Div J-7. Hard to tell from the screen shots we get if stories are related, or even from the same broadcast.
3. The “12th Div” J-11 we saw clearly was numbered 622 and had a unit emblem on the tail.
4. The 2nd Div J-11s, confirmed by the 5 digit number at the base of the tail, used the number 620 and, of course, the 2nd Div uses the tail emblem.
To discover a new J-11 unit using a three digit nose number in the exact same range as 2nd Div J-11 also using the same series of three digit nose number all first noted in within the same short time frame is too much of a coincidence for me, especially when the evidence of the J-11s in the 12th Div is as loose as it is.
I wonder if the person who posted the 2nd Div J-11 #620 did so in response to the mis-information, at least in my book, about the 12th Division.