Raygunby the way where is the INS Hanit.howcome they no pictures of her so far with web and digital camera we should have pictures by now.then again if she was actually sunk I guess they the irealis would not admitted. and it’s very hard to hide a burned ships of this size from public eyes.just me wonders.and the full story hasn’t completed yet and maybe it will be never fully toldHanit ill fate.
RaygunNooooo … esp. the JH-7 picture is just GREAT !!!! 😀
Deino
the avonic suites look very advacne now if they solved the under power spey engine this would be a great fighter bombers.
RaygunCalm down mate and think about this. If it was the C802 that hit the Sa’ar, then it would be a major disappointment as a missle of such size should utterly destroy such a small ship with a direct hit, and most likely sink it even with debris impact if the missile was detonated by defensive fire shortly before impact.
Hitting the target and failing to detonate is plain farcical for even remotely modern missiles, and if that was the case, then there is something seriously wrong with the Chinese defence industry.
I won’t call total dispointment if the C-802 didn’t sink the ships but the tactic work by hitting the warships irealis ship are much farter out to sea and no longer can they bombard lebennon coast with the puny 76mm gun.
Raygundopes!
there is the C-201 seersuckers but no C-102 notice 102 is backward is 201 maybe they looking at the telepromter in a mirror
Raygungood detail article so far!.
Hizballah Brings out Iranian Silkworm to Hit Israel Navy Corvette
DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Analysis
July 15, 2006, 1:37 PM (GMT+02:00)
The disaster that overtook one of the Israeli Navy’s state of the art warships, Ahi-Hanit, was thoroughly planned in advance by an enemy which managed to take Israel’s military commanders by surprise. It has shocked Israel’s military to a degree comparable to the profound effect on US forces of al Qaeda’s 2000 attack on the USS Cole in Aden.
The Saar-5 class corvette, with a crew of 61 seamen and a 10-man helicopter crew, was hit Friday, July 17 at 20:15 hours, while shelling Beirut international airport. Four crewmen were reported missing. One was found dead Saturday aboard the crippled ship. He is First Sgt Tal Amgar, 21, from Ashdod. The search continues for three missing crewmen, Sgt. Yaniv Hershkovitch, 21, from Haifa, Corp. Shai Atias, 19, from Rishon Lezion and Master Sgt. Dov Shternschuss, 37, from Carmiel.
DEBKAfile’s military sources reveal: The Israeli Saar-5 corvette Ahi-Hanita was
DEBKAfile’s military sources reveal that the warship was struck from Beirut by an Iran-made radar-guided C-802 shore-to-sea missile of the Silkworm family. Weighing 715 kilos, with a range of 120km, the missile is armed with a strong anti-jamming capability, which lends it a 98% success rate in escaping interception.
The Israeli ship is armed with an advanced Barak anti-missile system, which may have missed the incoming missile. Israeli military planners must now look at the vulnerability of the navy following the appearance of the first Iranian C-802 missiles
The Israeli chief of staff, Lt.Gen. Dan Halutz, started his news conference Friday night just 15 minutes earlier at 20:00. The campaign was then 60 hours old from the moment Hizballah raiders captured two Israel soldiers in an ambush inside Israel. He was poised, assured and clear, until a reporter asked if the military goals of the Lebanese offensive matched the objectives set out in government decisions. His answer was: “Don’t start looking for cracks.”
But Hizballah found the cracks 15 minutes later. Its secretary general Hassan Nasrallah put in a telephone appearance on Al Manar TV straight after General Halutz to inform his listeners across the Middle East that one of Israel’s warships was ablaze at that very moment. He said the ship had been crippled while it was bombing Beirut and was sinking. Hizballah, he added, had prepared a number of surprises for Israel and its armed forces Despite several Israeli air raids, the station is still broadcasting.
In Israel, the Hizballah chief’s words were taken at first as an implausible threat for the future – until the order of events began to unfold.
DEBKAfile’s military sources reveal:
Shortly before 20:00 hours Friday, Hizballah launched a pair of land-to-sea C-802 missiles against the Israeli ship from the coast of Beirut. The trajectory of the first was adjusted to a landing amidships from above. It missed and exploded in the water. The second was rigged to skim the water like a cruise missile. It achieved a direct hit of the Ahi Hanit’s helicopter deck, starting a fire. The ship began to sink, as Nasrallah said, and would have been lost were it not for the speed and bravery of crewmen who jumped into the flames and doused them before the ship exploded and sank.
It is not known whether the men dead and missing paid with their lives for saving the ship.
This was the second time in 48 hours that the Israeli high command was taken by unawares.
July 12, the day that Hizballah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, was also the deadline for Iran to deliver its answer to the six-power package of incentives for giving up its nuclear enrichment program. Tehran let the day go by without an answer. Someone should have kept an eye on Iran’s Lebanese surrogate and made the connection with a fresh virulent threat against Israel from Iran’s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. However, the high alert declared earlier this month for Israeli units on the Lebanese border was not restored.
The Hizballah guerrillas took advantage of this lack of vigilance to infiltrate Israel near Zarit, penetrate to a distance of 200 meters, fire RPGs and roadside bombs at two Israeli Hammer jeeps on patrol, and make off with Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. Eight Israeli soldiers lost their lives as a result of this attack.
The IDF ground pursuit for the two men was cut short when an Israeli tank was blown up by a massive 300-kilo bomb in south Lebanon, killing the four-man crew and a fifth soldier who tried to rescue his comrades.
The attack on the Ahi-Hanit was the third surprise.
When General Halutz was asked if Israel does not fear Syrian and Iranian intervention in the hostilities, he replied firmly in the negative. But Iran has been involved from the very first moment.
This localized perception of the Just Reward campaign in Lebanon, contrary to Israeli leaders’ rhetoric, is hampering its effectiveness. The war embarked on Wednesday night, July 12, must be seen in its regional strategic dimensions. It is therefore not enough to bash Nasrallah without taking into account beforehand that his strings are pulled by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Ahmadinejad from Tehran and the Syrian president Bashar Assad, who opened up Damascus military airport for the delivery of Iranian missiles to his militia.
Saturday morning, Hizballah TV broadcast a videotape showed a blurred object looking like a small unmanned aircraft purportedly packed with explosives exploding in the water. This was an attempt to muddy the trail leading to Tehran and present the fatal attack as an extraordinary feat of arms by Hizballah. It was also another move in and intense psychological war to undermine Israeli morale. The inference they are trying to get across is that if the Shiite terrorists have a weapon that can hit a moving target at sea, the will not find it hard to reach any part of Israel including Tel Aviv.
RaygunReport two ship was struck,one egyptian freighter was also hit,damage inflicted on israel ship indicate small missile.
on the other hand the long range rocket that struck Haifa was iranian MLRS ,with 60km range,janes report that technology may come north korea.
Haifa was hit again 8 kill.where is the hightly regarded anti missles defence that Isreal delopved liked the arrow?.
Raygunreally I readed that the entire helo pad cave in plus massive fire probaly destory the engine or drive shaft not to mention the loss 4 sailors and who know how many injured.? in the attack.and the C-802 is not a heavy anti-ships missles it’s in the same class as the harpoon and excoet and totally desrution is not granntee rember the strak[perry class] when struack by 2 excoect it’s didn’t sink by badly damage I seem ship hit by the harpoon and ships wasn’t sunk just badly damage. the only heavy ASSM I know of is the sunburn,klub and the kh-31 and kh-51 with 2x the warhead or more.
RaygunIsraeli Defence are saying it was a C802.
why can’t everyone belived it was the C-802!, is it because it’s chinese made that actully work as advertise?. it come a shock to most who belived china only produce garbage weapon system but they spend alot years and money on the C-802 and it’s install on most of the PLAN ships and sub’s!.same goes for the missles liked the PL-8 and SD-10 it’s just no good at all maybe not! .well just my’s own personal opinon. 😀
RaygunEvery Sa’ar-5 have “black spot” on it.
So it is not a missile damage
that is the diesel exhaust port. your seeing not any missles damage . and pla wolf the pic I posted is the Iran C-802 on the luanch and truck
Raygunsource: http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=189178348&p=y89y79x54
a merchant ships was also sunk.well a first time for the C-802 in a combat situation. 🙂
Raygun[QUOTE=Deino]I think this will be a new design based on cetain components … but I’m not sure !?! :confused:
they going be two full production line one in france and in china which willbe a first for china!.
RaygunClub with a nuclear warhead or kh-59 .
There is no air launched anti-ship missile that could sink an CVN.
RaygunSikorsky, China Team Up On Helo Development
Second Time Companies Have Worked Together
Sikorsky Aircraft and China Aviation Industry Corporation II (AVIC II) announced Thursday the two companies have signed of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for collaboration on the development and manufacture of civil helicopters.
Under the MOU, Sikorsky and AVIC II will discuss helicopter manufacturing, assembly, flight test, engineering design and analysis, and new product development in the light, intermediate, and medium classes. The companies will also explore establishing Changhe Aircraft Industry Corporation under AVIC II as a second source for the S-76 helicopter airframe.
“We look forward to exploring many potential projects with AVIC II for both the Chinese and international marketplace. We are excited about the opportunity to execute projects outlined in the current MOU that create additional areas of cooperation in the future,” said Carey Bond, Sikorsky vice president for corporate strategy and advanced programs.
This won’t be the first collaboration between the two companies. Sikorsky’s business relationship with AVIC II dates back more than a decade to the development of the S-92A helicopter (above): Changhe, an AVIC II subsidiary, manufactures the S-92A tail pylon.
“China is a dynamic country, AVIC II is a company with great technical capabilities, and Sikorsky Aircraft is an international company committed to developing business relationships and strategic partnerships globally,” said Steve Estill, Sikorsky vice president and chief marketing officer.
Other potential business opportunities between the companies include aftermarket support and pilot training for the Chinese market. :p
RaygunFROM XINHUI BLOG
Some background on the HC-120
HC-120 [EC-120] Helicopter
In 1993 the China Aviation Technology Import and Export Co. formed a joint venture with Singapore Aviation Industry to co-produce EC-120 light helicopters. China ordered 150 EC-120 for the Army Aviation Unit (AAU). The helicopter is designated HC-120 for the Chinese market.
The single-engine EC120 helicopter is designed to meet military and civilian requirements, including search-and-rescue and evacuation operations, as well as intelligence uses. The five-seat helicopter, with maximum take-off capacity of 1,715 kilograms and maximum voyage length of 750 kilometers, is considered an all-purpose aircraft used for transportation, rescue, topographic reconnaissance, air patrol, and pilot training. This extremely modern helicopter uses a lot of composite materials and is fitted with the latest technologies : a Turbomeca Arrius 2F engine and a new-generation shrouded tail rotor as well as modern avionics. Having been taken into consideration from the design phase, this helicopter’s maintenance is simple and economical.
The EC-120 program started in 1993. It was the first time China had shared investment and risks with foreign partners in helicopter production. The EC120 helicopter made its maiden flight in 1996 and began production on a small scale in 1997, after which it was certified by the Joint Airworthiness Authority. It won more orders after it received airworthiness certificates in more than 30 countries, including the United States, France, Germany and Italy. Nearly 400 of the helicopters have been ordered since the model took its first successful test flight in 1995.
China built an assembly line to manufacture five-seat EC120 helicopters in Harbin, Northeast China’s Heilongjiang Province before the end of 2004. The assembly line, capable of producing 20 helicopters a year, is the second such line apart from one in France.
The four partners in the EC120 project are the Harbin Aircraft Industry Group Corp, China National Aero-Technical Import and Export Corp (CATIC), France-based Eurocopter and Singapore-based Technologies Aerospace. China Aviation Industry Corporation II, which owns the Harbin company as well as a 50 per cent stake in CATIC.
The EC-120 was jointly developed by three countries, with Singapore in charge of the tail section, and France responsible for its engine. The Harbin Aeroplane Manufacturing Group in northeast China’s Heilongjiang Province contributed the body of the helicopter to foreign engineers for final assembly. CATIC/HAMC (China), which has a 24% stake in the program, is responsible for the design and manufacture of fully equipped fuselages, complete with their fuel system. Singapore Aerospace, with its 15% share, is responsible for access doors, the tail boom and the composite structure of the Fenestron tail rotor. With its 61% stake, Eurocopter has engineering leadership, with responsibility for overall design, specifications, ground tests, flight testing, design and production of the drive trains, the avionics suite, electrical systems, overall integration, primary assembly line and certification.
RaygunUNMANNED COMBAT AERIAL VEHICLE
The PLAAF has been converting some of its deactivated fighters including the J-5 and J-7I (and possibly J-6 too) into remotely-controlled full-scale target drones. Now the PLAAF is exploring new mission ideas for these drones including ground attack and suppression of enemy air defence (SEAD). A recent Chinese magazine revealed that retired J-5 fighters being tested as an unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAV) for ground attack role at the PLAAF Weapon Test Base located in the northwest Gobi Desert.Prompted by the combat successes and the remarkable performance of the U.S. cruise missile in recent conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, the PLA has also been actively pursuing the cruise missile capabilities. However, the conventional cruise missile also has its own limitations including insufficient warhead to penetrate ‘hardened’ military targets such as bunkers and underground facilities. Another factor that may affect the use of the cruise missile in significant numbers is its expensive unit cost. A U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile costs over one million US dollars—sometimes more expensive than the target it hit.
The UCAV converted from retired fighter aircraft could potentially provide the PLA with a cost-effective alternative to the conventional cruise missile. The J-5 fighter, a Chinese copy of the Soviet MiG-17 (NATO codename: Fresco) first introduced in the 1950s, was produced in vast numbers (~1,000) before its production finally stopped in the mid-1980s. While most of these were sent to steel factories for recycling, some in relatively good conditions were preserved in caves. They provide plenty candidates for the UCAV conversation. With years of experience turning these deactivated J-5 fighters into target drones, the PLAAF should be able to turn them into UCAV without too much technical and financial difficulty.
The PLAAF has also converted some early variants J-7 (mainly J-7I model) for similar target drone role. The PLAAF currently deploys several hundred J-7 fighters in several variants. With many J-7B, J-7C and J-7D fighters reaching their service life in the coming decade, the PLAAF will have no difficulty in finding enough candidate for a similar conversion. The PLAAF also has a huge stock of mothballed J-6 (Chinese copy of the MiG-19 Farmer) fighters, which could also become a potential UCAV candidate if the PLAAF hasn’t done so.
As well as serving for the ground attack role, the fighter-converted UAV could also be used as decoys to confuse enemy air defence. A large number of UAV, even unarmed, would pose a serious threat on enemy’s radar screen and cause enemy air defence to be overloaded by these decoys. The enemy would also be tempted to turn on its back up radar when threatened by a large number of UAV decoys, exposing the location of these radar systems to the SEAD firepower delivered by piloted combat aircraft.
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