Ok so the UK contributes approx 10% (exact figure is hard to nail down but may be up to £4B) of the development costs of the JSF in return for a share in the R&D and manufacturing sub contracts. These sub contracts are as a result of the initial R&D development and not as part of any order the MoD may pay for aircraft.

Up to now approx £8B pounds of R&D sub contracts have been placed with British firms and the manufacturing of some parts of the airframe have already started in the UK. This leave sthe UK in a position where it could shop elsewhere for aircraft for the RAF and RN and still be manufacturing parts of the JSF. If this is true then it sounds like a good bit of business on the part of the UK and not like we are getting screwed bu the US.

Even if the UK was frozen out of the manufacturing phase of the project it has still got over twice the money in R&D contracts than the contribution it has made. Not a bad return.

Perhaps someone can help me out here. Is it the case that the money invested by the UK in the development of JSF buys the UK a share of the construction work whether or not the MoD buy’s the aircraft for the RAF and RN?

And that export market might have come sooner than one thinks and from a very very unexpected customer………..

For Rafale or F22?

Please refer to the nationalism thread.

The Typhoon probably has a slight edge in terms of outright turn performance but it is not much. I don´t want this thread to degenerate into a “let´s trash the Typhoon” thread.

what can make you thinking this?

the eurofighter problems are first his design, that he took 2t from performances evaluations to service operational, and that all datas wasn’t upgraded fairly!

i don’t think the roll rate will be quite lower, but agility of a plane that is 20% overweight without upgrading the propulsion and shapes down the performances of the plane!

this plane had and have software problems due to design and poor abilities to operate with charges, tough they removed the gun !

and that this plane is exactly what europe don’t need, falling into the BAe spin to get money and poor products!

landing gear are Messier bugatti, but rafale have the same and never crash over landing for 15 years!

and beleive me, landing on aircrafts carriers are quite more stressing for all the bird, especially landing gears!

Saying that an aircraft is overweight because it is heavier than it was initially planned to be is a bit of a daft argument.