1MANIf so, please be so kind and let me know, where they are? There is no one MiG-29SMT in Akhtubinsk and Lipetsk test and conversion centres, no one in 14th IAP in Kursk, no one in 19th IAP in Millerovo, no one in 28th IAP in Andreapol, no one in 31st IAP in Zernograd, no one in 120th IAP in Domna, no one in 237th TsPAT in Kubinka. Maybe you know some secret place nobody else knows?
Well write and ask GlobalSecurity as they will write you back, but from what I know as of 1999 there were 20-30 SMT’s: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita…/mig-29smt.htm
1MANno one is saying they are lying, what people are saying is can you provide a photo to back up these claims, you seem to have understood the reason we can be sure Belarus has Su-27’s, because there is both photographic proof and various lists of them, however your Syrian Migs have no photographic proof to back the lists up – this is the problem. Also like i said earlier and as bring it on has just stated global security is not always up to date, i said to you the page you got the mig info from was from 27-04-2005, thats fairly old really for internet source standards. No one is picking on you about this as you seem to feel from the way your posts are written, its just that people would like to see more proof thats all. 🙂 chill dude 🙂
I’ll have to look for some photos, but I have no reason to believe “Global Sec” is lying.
1MANthats probably because there is photgraphic proof that belarus owns flankers, now there dosn’t seem to be the same level of evidence for these mythical syrian 29smt’s, thats the problem. Also, capital letters when used for whole words is meant to indicate shouting, theres no need to shout fella.
1. “Probably” would put you in the “Thats not proof” catagory.:D
2. Why would Globalsecurity lie about Syria’s MiG-29 SMT’s?
3. Don’t give me a “Probably” answer.:D
1MANPoland: all Polish MiG-29s (including ex-G) are well counted and no one was sold to (left in) the US or elsewhere.
USA: US couldn’t have any MiG-29SM because these are prototypes only.
MiG-29S. Do not mistake MiG-29S and 9-13 Fulcrum-C — this is not the same. MiG-29S is izdeliye 9-13S, externally like 9-13 (fatback) but with N019M radar and some other improvements. Several dozen were made in very early 1990s and delivered to Russian AF (sixteen); others later converted into export SD, SE and SMT versions.
MiG-29SMT: bought by Yemen (a dozen or so) and Erithrea (a few). Ordered by Algeria, 15 delivered since December 2006 but now are to be returned to Russia. And these will be first SMTs passed over to Russian AF. Syria ordered upgrade to SMT standard; no information on status of the order.
Russia: Russian AF has now only basic MiG-29 (9-12 and 9-13) plus a dozen MiG-29S (9-13S) fighters. AF wants to upgrade its MiG-29s to SM version only (not SMT).
Russia has 20-30 MiG-29 SMT’s as of 1999: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-29smt.htm
and if you ask me If we look at the fact that they managed to upgraded so many in the first, second and third years during the aftermath of the economic crisis i am fairly confident that we can credit the Russian federation with now having about 100 or so Mig-29 SMTs. Since they basically upgraded the oldest one’s that they could reasonably expect to still employ to say 2015 i expect that their Mig-29 force are now relatively modern.
1MANHow does that prove or disprove what Syria operates? How am I some sort of “Yank-Tech Lover”? Why can’t you offer anything constructive regarding issues you don’t agree with instead of insults? What right do you have to refer to anyone on this forum as “PATHETIC, PATHETIC” simply because they don’t toe your Party line?
And GlobalSecurity only lists Belarus, China, Russia, and the Ukraine as Su-27 operators here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/su-27-specs.htm
That means that Ethiopia, Eritrea, Angola, Vietnam, etc don’t operate the aircraft, right? Because GlobalSecurity says so?
They do list Syria as having 14 MiG-29 SMT’s, and you say, that not proof, well if you believe “Belarus” has Su-27’s and say there’s no proof of SMT’s in Syria, then YOUR PATHETIC.
1MANActually it doesn’t prove or disprove anything, to settle the argument conclusively you’d have to find an image of one. All that page does is provide validity to the theory that Syria does operate the SMT.
WOW when GlobalSecurity shows a nation that the U.S. accuses of being a danger has advanced Russian planes, all of a sudden you now claim, “it doesn’t prove or disprove anything” you Yanks/Yank-Tech Lovers are just PATHETIC, PATHETIC I said” you sink to new debts to make your selves feel good.:D 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
1MAN27-04-2005 19:20:26 Zulu
, look at the source info for that page 1Man, its rather old, not saying its not true at all but global security pages are often not updated…
It doesn’t matter if it’s old it disprooves his “theory” that Syria doesn’t have 14 MiG-29 SMT’s.
1MANSoviet/Russian warheads tended to be larger… this was claimed in the west because of their lower accuracy but personally I think the Soviets/Russians probably also had a more counter population intent for their missiles unlike the West which always seemed to strive for the accuracy for a first strike to take out the Soviet ICBMS, whereas the Soviets were mainly after killing lots of westerners so that their missile force was a deterrent rather than a (first strike) weapon of war.
The Soviets had the first strike capability, withh all their sats in space plus the 12,000 ABM/SAM missiles, and last I checked the average Soviet Nuke was a 500kt-25 Megatone Yield, and a CEP of 250 meters, well a nuke falling some 760 feet away from the target with a 500kt- 25 Megatone warhead will destroy that target and everything else for at least 5-7 miles, so Soviet missile being “less accurat” isn’ really telling the truth.
1MANAlgerians are getting some fresh ones and some other 9.13s are being upgraded. Yemeni SMTs have been delivered some time ago. Reports say that Eritrea also has few SMTs, 2 or 3(?). Syria has no SMTs as of yet, AFAIK.
Syrian MiG-29 SMT
1. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/syria/airforce-equipment.htm
1MANJust looks evil to me. I think you’re confusing ‘professional’ with ‘superficially powerful’.
Stalin had a similar problem with distinguishing the quantity (of military divisions) with the quality. Hitler gave him a rude shock.
Wrong Russia was no were near ready to take on Hitler at the time of invasion, what , most people today don’t understand, is WW1 was the first war in human history were “Million” not “Thousands” of soilders, fought at once, after WW1 no one thought another BIG war like that was going to happen, up untill 1 year or less before Hitler invaded Poland, that why Russia got a “shock”, if you look at U.S.A.’s military also at the time of 30-39 there were only about 150-200,000 troops, and not nearly the thousands of planes,Tanks, ships that were produced after U.S.A. entered WW2 til 1995, so Hitler could have very well invaded and did to U.S.A. what happend to Russia, if he had the long range traveling capablity and will to take over U.S.A.
1MANHe didn’t say 50% die every year. That’s utterly ridiculous, & I can’t see how you imagine he said it. What the article* actually says is that 43% of all deaths of working-age men are due to “hazardous drinking”, which isn’t quite what he said, but is a lot closer to it than what you think he said.
*Unfortunately not available in full without paying –
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673607612811/abstract
I didn’t say 50% I said 50/50+ years olds.
1MAN4000 windows? thats a big greenhouse by anyones standards 🙂 Edit: actually i was reading another magazine whilst sat in the dentist waiting room today and it said over 8000 a year die
HAHAHAHA I actualy ment “widows”.
1MANSeems like the US Military would pick up some secondhand Mig-29’s from say Poland and operate them as Aggressors. Even with the current relations between the US and Russia. I wouldn’t be surprised if a third party couldn’t be found to service and provide maintenance for the type. Remember, in the Aggressor Role they do not have to be weapons capable even. Hey, maybe India would consider!:diablo:
Those ecuerises may toot U.S.A.F. horns, but they mean nothing, when it comes to real combat with Russia, history has prooven who has the best aces in combat, out of U.S. Russia.;)
1MANShow me some pictures of those. Not the usual company demonstrators or prototypes but real in-service machines. If there are 150 SMTs, then there must be loads of pictures out there!
No not really, Russia doesn’t always give pictures out like that, only pics I know of is a short film on Youtube.
1MANhmmm i think your source is too old to be reliable, if you read it again you’ll notice it only talks of projected numbers as if its been written a long while ago, maybe 5 or 6 years ago perhaps :confused: btw wiki says theres only 16 in service with Russia.
Yes it is not been updated, and if you read it again it says 20-30 have already been upgraded to SMT, and Syria has about 14 SMT’s, and I think Algieria of Yeman can’t remember has some also.
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