S-300P components are being used at the Tolicha Peak EW complex in the Nevada desert.

Sources please:rolleyes: ?

What do you mean such things couldn’t happen? After the break-up of the Soviet Union lots of dodgy deals were made. How do you think the U.S. got their hands on bits and bobs of S-300 system and their associated radars in the early 1990s? The whole situation led to wide spread corruption with ex-Soviet kit up for grabs. Do you not think the U.S. and others took advantage of this?

TJ

Please ohh please show me where you got that info on S-300 landing into U.S. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yea I haven’t seen one piece of evidence showing that.

Well the MiG-29Ks Zhuk-ME is different in many ways from the Su-30MKI’s BARS, both are from different manufacturers as well. But there some some kind of commonality for other avionics.
Well the MiG-29M/K’s avionics were roughly compareable to that of the F-16C/F-18 at that time (in the 80’s).

Aren’t they both PESA Radars:confused:

Are there any further details about the 2 Ukraine Su-27? I haven’t even known about this but it sounds quite interesting:D

Ukraine has over 200 Su-27’s

Perfectly true. We use the Super Hornet and not the Rafale-M, we still rely heavily on the AIM-9M rather than the R-73 or even the Python 4 (granted, the AIM-9X is moving along), we use the PATRIOT instead of…ok, yeah, that one is just way too freaking easy 😀

Patriot was PATHETIC in the fullest scense:
1. http://www.cdi.org/missile-defense/patriot-performance.cfm
2. http://www.cdi.org/friendlyversion/printversion.cfm?documentID=1798
3. http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/docops/pl920908.htm
4. http://www.ceip.org/programs/npp/bmd.htm

So you don’t deny that the Soviet Union, for over forty years, had been exporting only second rate stuff to its allies, inside the Warsaw Pact or otherwise. Might explain some of the present day’s Russian Federation problems in exporting aircraft in general.

In this class of helicopter, it’s probably the avionics and weapon systems that make all the difference to the aircraft’s survivability or strike abilities, I should think.

Not really, being able to take a hit/s is a VERY important part in serviving.

Aeroflot might beg to differ.

Actually the USSR’s “Concordski” was built before the French Concord.

I read in the article on Thrust Vectoring where the Air Force commissioned a study to see how the SU 30 would do against the F-15. Seems the outcome (and possibly the way the parameters were set) predicted that the SU 30 could be able use its long range missiles to put the f-15 into defense mode and then close enough to use its Infared sensors to find it and attack with an IR missile. This outcome is what the Air Force brass is using to get the F-15 replaced.

Left unsaid is how well the Soviet missiles work and whether the F-15 can use effective ECM on them.

Anyone have an idea how well the SU 30 missiles work?

Pruitt

The US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to, or at best equal to, the MiG-29, “Su-27”, Su-35/37, Rafale, and EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration, maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower, radar signature, or range. Although the F-15C and Su-27P series are similar in many categories, the Su-27 can outperform the F-15C at both long and short ranges.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm

Forget the Su-30, even the Su-27 is better! “In long-range encounters, with its superior radar the Su-27 can launch a missile before the F-15C does, so from a purely kinematic standpoint, the Russian fighters outperform the F-15C in the beyond-visual-range fight. The Su-35 phased array radar is superior to the APG-63 Doppler radar in both detection range and tracking capabilities. Additionally, the Su-35 propulsion system increases the aircraft’s maneuverability with thrust vectoring nozzles”:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm:rolleyes: