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  • in reply to: Grumman Trackers and Traders #2280045
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    That’s better, what is the fuel load of a TTT, is it considerably better than a Skyhawk with a buddy tank?

    in reply to: Weapons systems air to air victories. #2280163
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    Missiles get a bad rap because of their early limitations, but the drastic limitations of guns such as a range of less than 1000 yards are ignored. I think it is short-sighted to design a fighter around a gun when even the AIM9B had a longer range and a (limited) off-boresight capability greater than a than a gun and the 1966 AIM9D was better again. By 1972 missiles had taken over and the gun relegated to an auxiliary weapon, yet for some reason guns are glorified. Is it just their cool factor?

    in reply to: Grumman Trackers and Traders #2280312
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    KC 130 has a cruise speed of 300 knots+, which is a much more comfortable speed for fast jets when refuelling than the 130 knot cruise speed of a Trader

    in reply to: Grumman Trackers and Traders #2280337
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    Is the Turbo-Trader fast enough for inflight refuelling? I think trying to manoeuvre around the back of a Turbo-Trader Tanker to get the probe into the basket would be difficult of the TTT is only doing 180 knots or so, you start getting into the sluggish, low-speed portion of a Skyhawk’s envelope which makes it harder than it needs to be.

    in reply to: Weapons systems air to air victories. #2280357
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    Off-board sensors such as radars, elint is just as useful for heads-up day-fighters as heads-down all-weather fighters’ The difference is in how the fighter engages the enemy based on this information, I’m interested to know how regularly this sort of information has been used to set up a long range missile shot as opposed to being used to close with the enemy and engage in close in combat.

    in reply to: Weapons systems air to air victories. #2280630
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    I’m reading John Boyd’s biography and he’s obsessed with gun-fighting and manoeuvrability as late as 1971. It strikes me as extremely limiting to build aircraft only able to fight close-in during daylight, but Boyd was no moron so I’m trying to get an idea of the capabilities of weapons systems as a way to get kills rather than the performance of the aircraft.

    in reply to: Weapons systems air to air victories. #2280935
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    Sharkey Ward did use it to good effect on a number of occasion, particularly shooting down the Hercules. Despite it’s limitations it was what the FAA had and when used properly was better than the Mk 1 eyeball, but apparently was underutilised in the Falklands.

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002723
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    That raises a point; are small carriers more easily cast aside than big carriers?

    Britain downsized their fleet from 4 big/medium carriers in 1965 to 2 medium/small carriers in 1980 and then made the decision to dispose of these. Was is a necessary step to make the carriers small before making them obsolete, or could Britain have just scrapped all of its carriers in the 70s and be done with it with no political problems?

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002784
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    Coventry was there together with the Sea Wolf equipped frigate Broadsword – and both systems, Sea Dart and Sea Wolf, failed to stop the last attack on Coventry.

    The inability to gain Sea Dart lock in the radar clutter and lack of on-board CIWS meant the Coventry had to manoeuvre to avoid the attack which sunk her. This manoeuvre bought her across the line of fire of Broadsword’s Sea Wolf, which could not fire. Having 2 ships cover one another isn’t quite the same as equipping each ship with it’s its own adequate defences.

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002817
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    The Coventry was sunk by UNGUIDED BOMBS. In 1982. Let me repeat that so that it sinks in: an anti-air guided missile destroyer was sunk by a handful of subsonic aircraft using UNGUIDED BOMBS. So it managed to shoot a few down. What an accomplishment! And an accomplishment it only managed to achieve because those aircraft happened to be equipped with weapons suitable for ww2. Her sister ship wasn’t so lucky as she was attacked by a weapon actually appropriate for the era, and, surprise, surprise, that ship was sunk without managing to shoot anything down.

    While the Skyhawk is a 50s plane carrying 50s bombs the Coventry was using a 50s radar, the 965 which was poor at low level and with land to create clutter, rather than the 1022 STIR which was much better in this regard. Nor were any British ship using a CIWS like the 1979 Goalkeeper or the 1980 Phalanx, let alone something like the lightweight Sea Wolf. So the Skyhawk/Coventry clash wasn’t so out of place. In fact it was the Exocet/Sheffield clash that was probably more out of place when you look closely.

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002835
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    3:1 is not very impressive, if you consider that USN fought against very small and weak states as Korea, Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia – non of them had significant means to endanger a carrier.

    US super carriers were not tested in a combat against someone, who really had the means to sink them. Therefore there development is based only on experiences of peacetimes operations and strikes against weak, completely inferior states.

    While the USN had not been tested defensively the CVWs have been used offensively since Korea against some of the best defensive systems in the world and have done very well. In air to air combat these small weak states have fielded some of the best fighters available in the world, in Korea it was Mig 15, in Vietnam it was Mig 21 and in Iraq 1991 it was Mirage F1, Mig 23/25, operating over their home territory with GCI radar systems and off limits sanctuary areas. If similar high-end tactical aircraft had to fight it out in the backyard of a CSG 3:1 would lead to horrendous losses to the attacking force, losses few air forces in the world can afford.

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002874
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    I thought the RN did detect the 25DM with Sea Harrier clearance searches after a Tracker had been detected snooping around.

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002882
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    ISR cueing subs and land-based strike, just like everyone else. :p

    Everyone else?

    Granted subs have been known to get periscope photos of USN carriers, but most of the worlds subs are diesel and lack the mobility to do anything other than wait in ambush upwind of likely carrier operating areas. Since most countries have very limited sub fleets tying up a large portion of these assets in the hope a carrier will cruise into range at some time or another may not be the best use of the handful of subs available.

    As for land based strike, in the 60+ years of the jet age the USN has managed about a 3:1 kill ratio in air combat, so presumably for an opponent to defeat a standard (not reinforced with more aircraft) CVW would require the acceptance of the loss of about 100 high end aircraft. I don’t know about what it takes to sink an AGEIS destroyer but the HMS Coventry shot down 3 aircraft before it was sunk so presumably to sink the escorts another 10 or more aircraft would be lost. Now since on 4 air forces in the world have more than 500 combat aircraft: Israel, India, China, Russia I don’t think many could afford to lose the 110 fast jets needed to sink a USN CSG.

    This is not to say that USN CSGs are invulnerable, they most certainly are not and in war all sorts of things can and do happen. But going to war in the hope that you will strike it lucky and sink a carrier isn’t the way to run a country.

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002910
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    So if 50-60,000 tons is the sweet spot, about the size of the QE2, Kuznetsov etc how does the USN go about defeating these carriers at sea? Because Murphy’s law says that as soon as you lose that capability it will be exactly the scenario that presents itself.

    I’d suggest that a bigger CAG would be a good start, and we know the best way to operate a bigger CAG is on a bigger carrier.

    in reply to: ARE the US Navy's super carriers a relic of wars past? #2002920
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    Aren’t the BRICs acquiring bigger careers? Certainly India and Brazil are, the Soviets did and China grabbed the biggest ship they could find from the outset. In addition the British are going as big as they can after 30 years of small carriers, Italy went twice as big with the Carvour after experience with Garibaldi, Spains Juan Carlos is much bigger than Principe de Austurias and France’s CdG is bigger than the Clems.

    So it appears as if global consensus with regards to aircraft carriers is to go bigger, despite having to justify these momentous decisions to tight fisted, sticky fingered politicians. Even the Chinese with their DF21s have got one of the biggest non-US carriers in the world. Perhaps the USN, with a lot of highly dedicated and very intelligent Admirals, does actually know what it’s doing.

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