Just heard Sally B’s been up today, I don’t have any photo’s from today but just happened to be re editing this one from a few years ago;
Sally B running up by Mark Handley, on Flickr
While it’s a bit quiet here is a few from the past;
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Curtiss P-40B Warhawk (‘284′ ’18P’ 41-13297 G-CDWH by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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B17 Sally B 124485 by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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Hunter and Mustang by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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P47 Snafu by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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Swordfish by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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Spitfire MK1 by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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Yak 2 by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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F86A Sabre by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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P51 Mustang Princess Elizabeth by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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P51 Princess Elizabeth and P47 Snafu by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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Hurrican P3886 : UF-K of 601 Squadron by Mark Handley, on Flickr
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BBMF Dakota ZA947 (Explored 11/1/14) by Mark Handley, on Flickr
Thanks for looking!
View my Duxford albums on flickr if you want more 🙂
You need one of these!
Does it matter? The safety record is a factor of all facets of the aircraft’s operation. They hit the ground just as hard whatever the cause.
Yes it does matter, I think it is relevent and the “safety record” aplies to the aircrafts ability to be operated safely within its strucual limits and engine reliability, anybody can take a perfectly sound and reliable aircraft and fly into the ground, its not the aircrafts safety record at fault in that case.
A good safety record apply’s to the aircraft itself, how many of the incidents were due to aircraft structure / engine failure?
Well, yes, now they would book twenty-four…..maybe that’s the idea; small / medium / large airshows?
The number of aircraft flying at Old Warden maybe from their own website but is that a finalised list? What is interesting is what is not on that list: no ‘Edwardians’, no WWI aircraft, no ‘trainers’ and no gliders.
No it’s not the finalised list it’s 13, maybe they will take it to 24, thats more than been flying in the past, its all guesswork really, its only “proposed” at this stage, I feel I’m going round in circles here so I’m going to step out of thread and await devlopments! 🙂
I’m not sure where you get your figures from Easyrider. The 5,000 attendees for an OW show sounds like a made-up number (with a degree of wishful thinking attached)
The true figures are readily available online at: http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends34/0000307534_AC_20141031_E_C.pdf
They show that in 2014 (the last year for which figures are available) a total of 18,684 people attended airshows there, so an average of around 2,000 per event.
The increase in cost is not £900 per event, but around £2,000, as there is also a doubling of the event fee as well as the new post-event charge. That means an addition of around £20,000 to the cost of events at OW of the course of a season, a not inconsiderable sum. And that is before any possible increases in insurance, policing costs and charges made by visiting display items (which will presumably also need to increase in order to recover the additional costs they will be incurring) etc.
It is a made up number by creaking door 😀
I’m not sure your interpeting the situation correctly, I doubt the figures your quoting are correct, were do you get 2K per event if say 24 aircraft are displayed?
And have you taken account of the existing fees paid (which I assume are already in ticket prices) the increase in gate prices need only be for the increases proposed, it is difficault to get to a figure but I say it will be less cost increase than is being suggested and certainly not “The death knell for many UK aviation events” !
And I don’t think anybody would quibble about such a piffling amount but is it that simple?
I went to three Old Warden displays last year and was lucky enough to have good(ish) weather for all three but of those three displays I only got to see two of the ‘Edwardians’ fly on one occasion, and on another occasion even the WWI aircraft were prevented from flying by the weather. Now the new ‘post-display’ fee charged by the CAA may not be levied on aircraft that are prevented from flying by the weather but Shuttleworth will have to charge entry (and pre-paid) tickets based on the possibility that the new fees will have to paid in full.
And the CAA document does make it clear that the new post-display fee will only be charged on aircraft that did actually fly. Fair enough, but it is difficult to see how that can be reflected in the ticket price to an airshow (but it may be a welcome boost to the organiser if an event is disrupted by poor weather).
I also think that most airshows at Old Warden have a lot more than thirteen display items; I would say the total, weather permitting, is more like twenty-five.
Edit: Which, having looked at the scale of charges again, falls exactly on the £4000 / £10000 threshold.
I’m only guessing at the ‘gate’ numbers too; does anybody have a better idea?
Any display organiser worth his salt would only book 24 displays rather than 25 which jump the fee to 10K wouldnt he?, the number of aircraft flying at Old Warden (13) I mentioned comes from their own website
I wonder what the ‘gate’ is at a typical Old Warden display? Maybe 5000 people? Anybody know?
Now at the new suggested £20,000 fee that would add (roughly) £4 to the ticket, currently £30 I think; now that’s not a massive amount but that’s on a good weather day when the turnout is good. What about the wash-out days? What if far fewer people turn-up? Does the ticket price have to be set higher to cover the fee just in case fewer people turn-up?
There will (probably) be events that cannot continue under this new fee structure. So will the airshow costs of the CAA have to be covered by fewer events and the fees rise again?
Will more people baulk at the rising costs and choose to stand outside the events that do continue?
Here is a illustration worked out on their posted display for the Premier opening airshow in May;
Visiting Aircraft
•Bristol Blenheim
•Global Stars aerobatic team
•Calidus (Peter Davis)
•B17 “Sally B”
•P51D Mustang (Pete Teichman)
•Tiger 9 (Formation team)
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Collection Aircraft
•Westland Lysander
•Avro Anson (BAE)
•Polikarpov PO2
•Gloster Gladiator
•Hawker Sea Hurricane 1b
•Hawker Hurricane R4118 (HH)
Currently 13 display items, lets say it ends up as 18, thats £900 divided by your assumed gate of 5000 over the weekend, that’l put 18 pence on the ticket price.
http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/statutory%20charges%20GA%20final.pdf
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Will Airshow organisers simply pass on the increased costs to stage their event to the paying public? per person would this cost increase be small?
Built by Avro at Yeadon;
“Part of the fifth production batch of 350 aircraft built by A.V. Roe & Co. Ltd., Yeadon, Yorkshire (being the second part of Contract No. 1807, and the first part of Works Order No. 8589). First 10 aircraft LM301-LM310 built as Mk.I’s, the remainder built as Mk.III’s: LM311-LM346, LM359-LM395, LM417-LM448, LM450-LM493, LM508-LM552, LM569-LM599, LM615-LM658, LM671-LM697 and LM713-LM756. Deliveries commenced 11-42; completed 10-44 (average rate of production, approximately 3.6 aircraft per week).”
Thanks for that, Have bookmarked the site for the future
Very interesting recovery, I would like to know when and where Lancaster LM508 was built, I have tried searching the net but cannot find any information, can anyone suggest where to look?
It would cost more than ‘558’ to get her to fly .
There is a difference between preparing an aircraft for a projected public display life of a number of years and a one off ferry flight of moderate distance, say 100 mile radius, I’m not saying it will happen, not in the UK anyway
‘The aircraft would need to made ready for a one off A to B ferry flight which would involve some work and cost, elsewhere in the world this would not be a issue, unfortunatly the aircraft is in the UK’
Really ? Which countries can you think of that are going to allow you to fly a bomber aircraft that hasn’t flown for thirty two years ? Are you expecting that its just needs a quick BF and fly it? Its completely bonkers .
Is it, US has examples of bringing old airframes back to life for a ferry flight,