The replica in Netherlands is a wooden one, rather sorry looking to my mind. AFAIK Cradle of Aviation Museum volunteers in Long Island, NY made that one plus another one for their own museum. Personally, I think the worth of such wooden replicas is somewhere between zero and nothing. Finnish AF museum also has the prototype of copy of Brewster 239 made in Finland towards the end of the war, called VL Humu. Essentially a Brewster 239 with a wooden wing. The real Brewster, BW-372 is actually not a “Buffalo” but a Brewster 239, as it was known in Finnish AF.
Now it has been reported that the Havoc is in international waters. Finnish museums are not interested in recovering it, probably it would be too expensive, it lies in a depth of about 100 meters. I wonder if somebody with a lot of money to spend would be eager?
Yes I can agree with this….I wouldn’t hire you to build this ship but an army of professionals.
It is also about strategies and tactics. How to fly it to orbit, reload it, then how to land in on Mars…and fly it back to earth. I have figured all that out too.
To comprehend the idea is to remember that it has 2 x wing area of the Boeing 747 but it weighs 1/20 of the 747. So it can cruise high relatively fast just on solar and batteries.
In 70 km altitude it needs rocket power and cruises ( no compression as the air is loose ) at M4. At this speed the heating is mild at that altitude .
PS: I have the Spitfire wing foil on this…best in the west !
I have proven my point.
I am not comparing myself with two bicycle industrialists…I am explaining you in layman terms how ridiculous you make yourself look…as you don’t see history happening in solar flight.
Advancement in solarcell efficiency and weight is incredible….and bringing the ” almost obsolete ” idea of lifting fuselage and high cruising altitude with new materials that make this tick…into whole new level…this can be counted…as I said before….this smaller spanning ( 80 M ) has 4,5 times more cell area ( thanks to lifting fusealge )…and 33% more efficiency in them than Helios which flew 240 km/h at 30 km altitude in 2004.
Anyone with aviation studies behind would see the possibilies in this. It is enermous task to make everything just right, but it does need an attitude change..which I am not seeing unfortunately happening here.
Peace Finny…and live long and prosper !
I should not do this, I will probably regret that I replied, but here goes: I do believe that there are opportunities in all forms of aviation and propulsion. But these will be developed by people (most likely hired by large companies) who have a good understanding of aviation, regulations, aerodynamics, propulsion and aircraft structures, among other things. People who have none, or very little of the above will keep writing on aviation forums. Those who actually work on these things won’t have time, or at least they do not need to bother. I let the audience decide who is making himself look ridiculous…:)
Yes think about it for a while !
I know we can fly with solar very effectively…as the numbers don’t lie as they say.
Finny position yourself into 1902 Kittyhawk…you would have called the Wright bros idiots ! What does that make you ?
I will change my sights from a cheap small single engined plane and I will fly this twin to beat the Scottie Winton 1983 FAI altitude record …first that is.
I am not taking the bait. You can compare yourself with Wrights and keep on discussing with yourself.
Personally, I don’t see it ever happening with a commercial passenger carrying aircraft.
Of course it will never happen. Best way to deal with this Walter Mitty is to ignore him and let him discuss with himself. Same thing has happened on several Finnish aviation forums, from all of which afaik he has ended up being banned.
It says in the first ling it was able to outclimb and maneuvre the 109, but real factual data is missing. Plane was leaving pieces behind as it was flying….like the other side of the engine cowl.
There is some data available, and indeed at low level the max speed was about the same as Bf 109G-2’s, at altitude Pyörremyrsky was 15-20 kph slower. Its rate of climb was considerably worse than that of the Messerschmitt. Obviously, full performance data did not become available due to limited test flying. And as topspeed mentioned, the glues available for aircraft production were less than perfect, to put it mildly.
As for leaving pieces behind, well yes, on the first flight some pieces of engine cowling detached, causing exhaust to flow into cockpit, which again caused a bit of an emergency, but after that there were no big problems.
More to the point, in late 1945 they could have called the English or American embassies and received all the Spitfires, Mustangs or Thundrbolts they wanted for less than the cost of setting up a production facility.
And with a bit of work they could have found a number of 109s free for the taking (and approval of the allies occupation force, of course).
This may be true, but fact is that Finland was completely broke, and could not afford even almost free airplanes. Also, the view of Soviets had to be taken into account, situation in Finland was really dangerous, there was still a possibility of Soviet occupation. Added to this, the Allied forces (read: Soviets) had grounded Finnish Air Force, all flights required a special permission. After the end of the war there was no more any intention of series production of Pyörremyrsky. The test flights were made more out of curiosity to see how the airplane that had been painstakingly designed and built would actually perform.
This airplane actually only shared the engine and propeller with the 109, it was a totally different design otherwise. Only the prototype was built, made its first flight in November 1945, and made only 34 flights and logged some 27 hours total. It was a promising prototype, but due to lack of funds, and the fact that time of piston engined fighters was coming to an end, it was never developed further.
Not really wrecks of two. One fuselage + tail section and seven wings, only pieces of engine. Of these it was just possible to restore one complete airplane, not much left over. I agree that it would have been nice to have a Bristol Mercury on the nose, but the Leonides was available and free…
Dear topspeed, if you do not know who owns the aeroplane, please find out yourself. I am closely enough connected to know that it will not be for sale.
My dear topspeed, I happen to know it is not, nor will be for sale.
I think the Shuttleworth collection would find out that this thing is not for sale.
I am glad I have a working prototype of my windmill that supercedes all previous VAWT turbines with a margin. Aeroplanes are different thing…they take a team to realize.
I wanna point out that the point in making Solar Impulse I and II was to spread the awereness of the possibilities of solar flight ( and revewables in general ) and brake new boundaries…. I have been doing just that.
Why would you like to brake boundaries…shouldn’t they rather be expanded? 🙂 Would you care to tell how, when and by whom your revolutionary windmill will be produced? And how have you been doing whatever it is you claim to have done? Building RC-models, AFAIK.
I have been designing one since 2011…and the concept is ready. It is way beyond my reach to realize it…at the moment.
Dear Topspeed, I have told you this before, but I’ll tell it again: designing is not the same as making three-view drawings of imaginary airplanes. Actually, I am positively surprised that you admit that it is beyond your reach….:)