Basic problem with the Gripen NG is that SAAB makes only 40% of the value of the plane, and on the remaining 60%, 40% are from non Swedish companies.

So we can turn the problem as long as we want: SAAB can transfert only 40% of the tech’ of the NG. The technology she owns.
They can make as many press release and photoshop as they like, it won’t change anything on this field.

On another hand GIE Rafale owns at least 90% of the technology and on the remaining 10%, 9.9% are French.

And you’re gona go at strike?

Sad work accidents happens everywhere, in every job. And the military is not even the most dangerous one. If you don’t like it: work as silk painter, not as military.

If that’s what he’s saying, he managed to say it while insulting pilots. Great job. I can definitely see the point in not talking about things out side your field of expertise. He’s a pilot though, even though retired? I think his points are worth noting.

In reply to people in uniform expressing there opinion. In this case, a pilot puts his name stating his opinions it’s wrong. But it’s also wrong when a pilot anonymously expresses his opinions to a journalist (say Jackonicko) to protect him and his AF/country?

To obey, train, and eventually die for their country is certainly not an insult: it’s their honnor. That’s what they are proud of. If you don’t understand it’s normal: that’s why they are military you: civilian.

To talk and talk like chicks, defend a square metter of sidewalk by all means, say bad words in the back then cry a river on the shoulder of everybody when taken a hit in return; and spread false rumors repeated again and again,
are not honourable behaviors, it’s behavior of b… journalists (say Jackonimo)

A view on the FX-2, Google translated.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aereo.jor.br%2F2010%2F01%2F27%2Fuma-opiniao-sobre-o-fx-2%2F

Original http://www.aereo.jor.br/2010/01/27/uma-opiniao-sobre-o-fx-2/

For the 50th time they are the end user, they are not:
– the ones who pay,
– the ones who define the strategy of the country,
– those who’d have to reply if one day the US tell Brazil: “be with us or be against us”. Or “forgive Russia, ignore Germany and punish Brazil”

The only thing they’re born for it’s to obey, and to train; not to think about things they’re not trained to understand.
… and they’d better shut their mouth (those who can’t stay at their place I mean)

Unlike what he’ve said to calm down everything, Lula is going to take severe sanctions when all this will be finished I think.

It useless to repost again those BS well relayed by the Gripen press agents: we know!

So, up to now, the replies from the Eurofighter Gbmh and RAF pilot(s) to the event of Eurofighter v.s Rafale during the 2009 ATLC exercise are something like:

“All I can say is that the declaration of French side is wrong, but I won’t / can’t / am not allowed to tell you what really happened between Typhoon and Rafale during the ATLC exercise…”

Right ???

Hmmm……That is really persuasive:rolleyes:

Yes but when the Eurofighter slaughter F15s, they can talk.
Don’t try to understand, it’s too complicate for people like us who’re not aware.

Unless….

…Unless they pull out of the hat next week that EFs were simulating F15s during the Dubaï ATLC…
In which case we got:

2 EFs vs 8 F15s = 8-0 > 2 (4 Rafale v 4 EFs/F15s) = 7-1
2 (EFs vs 4F15s) = 8-0 > 2*4 (Rafale vs EFs/F15s) = 7-1
EF vs 4F15s = 8-0 > 4 Rafale vs 4 EF/F15 = 7-1
EF = 8-0 > 4 Rafale = 7-1
…
=> EF > 4 Rafales

It is much more “intuitive” now :rolleyes:

This thread was complicate and very difficult to understand with some Quantum “counter-intuitive” phenomenons,
but we’ve be able to figure out a understandable conclusion at least.

C7, I see that we have the same references 😀

LOL. I remember your photoshop
(from a original idea of me too then btw – same for the EF with the fixed landing gear… but we have an agreement concerning copyright…) 😉.

I love your caricatured EF but I must confess that I also really love the original “pump machine” they are “working” with. It’s so much a “usine a gaz” concerning ingeneering that just this is just ROLFMAO. Gotta find a solution to have both 🙂

… though it lags Rafale when it comes to stand-off, anti-ship, recce and SEAD capability (it doesn’t have such a capability yet), and it lags even further when it comes to buddy refuelling, and nuclear deterrence (which were never planned)….

…. and in AA 😀

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to suggest that the french are just naturally better at building aircraft is silly,

Nobody said that! 😡