Oh please! This isn’t about selectively interpreting the contract its about rewriting the whole damn thing. Assembly at HAL is a basic tenet of the RFP issued by MoD. Reliance is a firm that has zero involvement in the aviation sector and were they to replace HAL, for all practical purposes it would be little different from shipping in CBUs from France.

Had Dassault requested that the risk be monetized and HAL/MoD share a fair load or for a greater albeit supervisory role at HAL, it would have been a different thing. But this attempt to replace HAL with Reliance is absurd bordering on the outrageous.

No such thing in the article. Read it again.
It’s either way Dassault has the choice of how to transfert the manufacturing process and it is then acountable; or it is HAL which is in charge and then fine: they are responsible and Dassault is not acountable for delays or cost overun.

It’s specified in the RFP that the deal will be of fixed price AND that HAL will be the main contractor, both point are subject to interpretation and nothing about Dassault’s responsability for HAL outcome at the RFP stage.

But we’re talking for nothing, we don’t know anything and it’s normal that in such a negociation there are moments when both side disagree and somehow show their muscles, the main point it to finally sit around a table and find compromises.

that’s a 15-20 billions $ deal
you’d better take your time to read and discuss the small lines at the bottom of the contract.

On another hand once the indians have one hand in the gear with the first 18 pieces, and with investments in machine tools or other purchases already made, we can suppose that they will always find a pragmatic solution if a problem occurs.

We saw it with the sukhoi’s where the first batches were more “russians” than planed whatever the initial contract.

I hope that Dassault keep their lawyers in leash because otherwise it’s not finished this story…

Indians should trust Dassault on industrial efficientcy because Dassault is one of the best managed company of the world on that matter. Not less.
They should not only trust Dassault, but they should, in fact, open their eyes and hears wide to learn as much as they can here: manufacturing process should be considered as a part of the TOT package.

A nice picture

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/2962f849-aaa1-4a85-8330-b1e6e4f236c2.jpg

Here it must probably taking off with the 2 GBUs and the gun cover out.

Of course it’s not 100% sure though it’s much easier to take a picture like this during the take off than during the landing.

And of course it doesn’t say either that the Rafale makes gun straffing in Mali.

Edit: The Rafale still has the “Artic Tiger” on one of its tank 🙂

Picture taken in N’djamena, Chad.

Canon cover out (and only 2 GBU’s)

I wonder if they made some straffing like the F1 used to make in Africa. Would be interesting to know and with which results.
Let’s note that A to G modes for the canon has been fully opened not that long ago.

I wonder if David Cameron will get another cold shoulder anytime soon form a French leader after this helping hand?

I did not know the UK Govt. was considering increasing its C-17 fleet – an eminently sensible proposal.

The need to use RAF C-17s doesn’t say much for the FAF strategic lift capability.

Oh well, a friend in need is a friend indeed.

Actually France takes most of the load and risks for this international UN backed anti-terrorist operation.
British help with two C17s is wellcome and everybody is thankfull of course.

On another hand nothing comparable with French involment but we understand that UK forces has been heavily used in operations last decade (especially in Irak) and it now endures tough budget cuts. And thus: can’t do much more.
So we take the load, it’s normal.

…a friend in need is a friend indeed.

You risk overinflation IF & only if the country is run by incompetents or criminals. As it is our debt is going over the top because of the very system. There isn’t even a question of good or bad management. The very monetary system creates unlimited debt.

Obviously it won’t be the UK or the US, although their debt situation is even worse than France’s. Hopefully for the UK, they’re not in the Euro 😉

BTW I’m tired of reading brits saying we shouldn’t pull out of the Euro. Join the bloody thing if it’s so beneficial.

Yeah. And the french industry managed to create a plane (Rafale) that’s just as good as the Typhoon (better) while remaining cheaper. What does it tell you about partnering with other nations as opposed to doing it alone?

I hope the real crisis & collapse comes soon before this BS is gone too far.

Nic

@nic

That’s one way to see things (all is the fault of others…) Although at this stage as we are I agree with you: monetary creation, a bit of inflation, the exit of Eurozone, a under-evaluated crappy currency for us and some kind of protectionism seems one way to recover margins of action for France now.

But no mistake: the Euro and all are not the reason of the problems.
There are no conspiracy anywhere.
The reason is our own side and we’ll just have to appologize to our partners when we’ll leave this mess (voluntary or not, the sooner the better)

1974: 2.5 M civil servant (as everybody know: France was like Zimbabwee back then, people weren’t going to school to learn writting French correctly, there were no cops and no security in the streets, there were no nurses nor doctors and we all born in caves…)
1982: 4 M civil servant
2011: 5 Millions.

When it was the hell in France without so many bureaucrats and social assistants: creation of a top nuclear industry both civilian and military, 85% of our electricity became nuclear and independant, creation of a top aviation industry both civilian and military, Concorde, Airbus, Mirages, missiles, helicopteres, fast trains, Ariane rocket, etc…

We have the possibility to do everything independantly, easy… just fire one civil servant on two…
Then you can even create money if you want to as well, because you also creat stuffs to put on front of it and you’re efficient. Otherwise it’s hyper-inflation and nothing more.

But since we’re not going to do it: the more I see the Germans, the more I like the British 😀

let’s go with the British cooperation, Sarkozy-Cameron plan was a not too bad plan.