(so now let stop talking politics otherwise SOC or others moderators would not be happy)

Who started?

I explain. When your dear Sarkozy went to La Courneuve during the riots, he promised (in front of all the cameras) that most young people of this suburb will find a job. Of course, five months later medias wanted to know if things have changed… and the answer was NO.

If they had learnt that the only way to break the ‘fatality’ is hard work, be inteligent and well organized, they wouln’t be desapointed if nothing come.

But socialists teatchers have teatch them where to find help when there is a problem instead.
It’s those who told them that life is gona be simple who are liars and are guilty.
We don’t ow them anything but free education and free health care which is already huge. After everybody have the freedom to be a looser in a democracy.

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For the Mirage 4000, the France will had a better strike power and a counterpart face to the F-15E, the Mirage 4000 was claimed to carry more payload than the F-15E, thanx to the prime minister in the mid 70’s to pull out the project…

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I agree with that, SteveO.
But in France we don’t know how preserving our aviation, including historic planes. As you know, Great Britain and USA perfectly manage to preserve their warbirds, including flying old supersonic jets such as Sea Vixens or even F-100.

In France, a law was passed recently about “homeland security” by Sarkozy (our hatred minister). This law considered old warbirds as weapons, and they were prohibited flying!
Collectioners (people who have warbirds… I don’t now the english word) have to fought against the ministry to earn the right to fly their machines…
That’s why you will never saw an old Mirage III or Crusader flying in a French meeting…and also that’s why so many Mirage III or Caravelle were found in scrapyard and just avoid scrapping.

Firstly the “hatred minister” is the most popular one and probably will become next president,
Secondly, keep your opinions for you will you, specially on a foreign forum,
Third, the minister have nothing to do with this, it’s some retards civil servants (as usual) who interpreted the law this way (it’s on the way to be solved)
Forth, one part of Sarko’s program is to make all that kind of civil servants who **** off those who want to move their ass and cost us more than the entire world fleet of fighters every year to shut their ******* mouth,
Five, i agree that the Rafale B is not very cute … but IMO the 2 seat Eurofighter is even less a success 😀

(Sorry for the off topic part 😎 )

The XF-85 Goblin

What if the engine loose a blade??! :diablo:

Is is a modification for security reasons (front gear problems) or a modification for carrier operations ? 😀

link of Aurel

The British ships will carry versions of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, while the French plan to use the Rafale fighter jet built by Dassault as well as unmanned air vehicles.

ahem…..

I agree with Britan on this one.

That’s not by creating a new structure full of civil servant that it gona change anything.
That kind of struture driven only by political reasons always drive to fiasco.

What is successful it’s when there is a leader.
When the most competent take the lead and everybody back him. And they do it … because they are themselve leader on other projects.

See Airbus, Eurocoptere, Meteor, Scalp-EG/Storm Shadow, Ariane. All those programs are very successful and all of them are European sovereignty programs started with a leadership.

Pratically, I’d prefer UK to buy Rafales for her carrier and France buy her carrier as well as nuke submarines for example, than the building of such a ‘fund’.
Here, it’d be real Europe building.

Both engine are “as efficient” but the EJ200 is quite more powerful

The very fact that SNECMA need a complete upgrade (new air intake needed, bigger diameter, heavier) to be as powerful AND as efficient is only the proof that the EJ200 ON PAPER enjoy an advantage over the M88.

No Glitterr.

SFC show the consuption of a engine per N of thrust.

And here both engine are equivalent as shown by Rob’s data and mine 😎

So they are as efficient (or unefficient… cuz the F414 does better).

Now that’s true that the EJ200 is 20% more powerful, perfectly right, but it’s a bigger engine and since the SFC are even, the EJ200 consuption is logically 20% higher.

In another hand, the Eurofighter is 20% heavier too**. So….

Figures don’t show everything. TWR with 100%, 50%, 25% of fuel are nice. But what would be more relevant pratically are TWR comparison with both planes fueled for the same range. If Rafale has the same range with 75% fuel than Eurofighter with 100% for example, that’s this comparison which will be relevant for the user.

Add to this that Mica is significantly lighter than the AIM-120 and we see that in spite of all the propa… communication of the EF team, Rafale is even to say the least on the TWR issue.

** while carrying 20% more.
Edit: oops. while carrying 20% less