IAF has today around 200+ BVR armed planes. PAF zero.

IAF has today around 150+ HMS+archer armed planes for WVR. PAF zero.

Let this please be the last equal-unequal session. Let us doff our hats to the fine men of the PAF and move on to bigger / better competitive weight category. If its size and spending you want look at PLAAF, if its good balance and quality then french and british AF, if its overwhelming power and quality then USAF.

benchmarking yourself to the lowest common denominator(LCD) may be a honour to the LCD, but a total waste of time for the other party – us.

the only theatre peers of IAF in asia are JASDF, PLAAF and
Israel. I am leaving out saudis with their mercenary legion of pilots and mechanics though they have good eqpt.

I CAN play this fact game to, PLA was reacting on the remarks of airpower who just had to invite this flame war. We were told to cool down with this whole pak-india debate but if you guys are so eager,you want to talk about facts well here are sum

The question is can the IAF and Indian army deliver. Fact is pakistan shot down to indian migs in the kargill war while IAF shot down a unarmed plane. Fact is indians backed from their tough talk when pakistan became serious (in war all means are used to come to victory , incl nucleair).

The fact is that they stationed their troops there and more and more where dying from their own layed mines, killing each other because of depression, making stories up in siachin, kargill —> here let me give you an backup of this fact

NEW DELHI: The Indian army on Friday charged an officer with faking acts of gallantry, while deployed on the Siachen glacier, the Defence Ministry said.
A military court opened court martial proceedings against Maj Surinder Singh of the Gorkha Regiment, charging him with inventing acts of valour last year atop the glacier. “Singh knowingly sent a false report on September 5 and 15 last year that enemy troops were constructing air defence bunkers, causing unnecessary alarm that led his commanding officer to make an assault on ‘enemy positions’,” the court said.

It said Singh also sent “false reports” claiming three Pakistani soldiers had been killed and their imaginary bunker destroyed in August last year, followed a month later with killing of two “enemy troops”.

Indian media has reported that Singh, who was even injured in the destruction of a bogus Pakistani bunker, blew the whistle on the fantasy last December after a disagreement with the commander.

Even they admit that they had a thin edge not enough to fight the war succesive, pakistan on the defending side doesnt need as much power as the offenders. Another report by your own media showing this

India has thin edge over Pak militarily
ALOKE BANERJEE

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ THURSDAY, JUNE 13, 2002 11:25:25 PM ]
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?art_id=12897767

KOLKATA: At least a month before the Indo-Pak war crescendo reached its peak, the Indian military high command had reportedly told the parliamentary standing committee on defence that the country had only a wafer-thin edge over its enemy in terms of military capabilities and that it would be unwise to go to war against Pakistan.

A prominent member of the defence standing committee told TNN on Wednesday that in separate presentations in April, the Army, Navy and the Airforce had reported that India’s superiority over Pakistan’s military was barely 1 : 1.2 and India’s superiority had come down from the level of 1 : 1.7 which it had during the 1971 war.

The committee member, who agreed to talk to TNN only after de-escalation of tension between the two countries began, claimed that irrespective of its hard posturing, at no point in time had the Centre taken any decision to go to war. Its sole objective had been to draw the attention of the international community and to mount pressure on Pakistan, he claimed.

The military headquarters had in fact observed that Pakistan had superior capabilities in several areas, specially in the field of missiles, the committee member claimed. All the major cities in India are within the reach of Pak missiles and number of strategic targets as well as number of people likely to be affected are much larger than those in Pakistan.

The military headquarters had also informed the defence standing committee that ever since the troop mobilisation along the Indo-Pak border reached its peak, the military was incurring a daily expenditure of Rs 60-70 crore. Also, since the December 13 terrorist strike against the Indian parliament, the total expenditure incurred by the military was a whopping Rs 4000 crore.

Standing committee members were also told that given the ground realities, a short surgical strike, either against terrorist camps in Pak occupied Kashmir or against strategic targets in Pakistan, was not possible. The war was bound to be a prolonged one unless interrupted by a nuclear strike or heavy international pressure, representatives of the Army, Navy and Airforce reportedly said.

India scared away lot of people by making this standoff which was not needed. The “superiority” of the IAF could not ensure in the circles that they could achieve their objectives with no/minimum risks. they rememberd the threath pakistan gave that in a sense said “if we go down we take you with us”. that scared india off and made it realize that diplomacy is after all the right think. and hey look our countries are finally talking now. Hopfully it will bring sustainable peace in the region.

The grippen is an excellent choice, offering very good quality for the price. it hass one of the best datalinkage capabilities around. And overall performance of a squadron of grippens is/seems better than that of a SU-30. The grippen is made for working in groups. I doubt the that they are going to get them at 14 mil a piece. Perhaps indeed downgraded a bit.

from Kamra (dont know if its this one for sure). i dont think its top of the line, its more a start

RWR BM/KJ 8602 system is designed to provide the pilot with real time and unambiguous threat warning over 360 degrees thus reducing vulnerability of the combat aircraft to radar associated weapons. Automatic sorting and identification of threat emissions are provided. The system can operate in conjunction with ECM units and chaff / flare dispensers for self protection of the aircraft.

Sammer its an arial target drone. You can also see the low endurance in the back on the board of around 1 hr 15 minutes, i dont think its meant for aerial recon.

Nice pics munir, keep us informed. just waiting for the AC pics of this year. 🙂

That reporter is a joke his whole article is biased. seeing it to much in “pakistan is going to conquer the world” context. Here i posted some remarks most a bit of personal type but this is deserved by the reporter who just wrote from out his emotions. perhaps i should also send my CV to janes :D. his paper is not a “defence review”

his comment

Even if Pakistan were serious about fighting the Taliban

he forgets the reality, pakistan is apprehanded most taliban fugitives. Pakistan lost many of its military man fighting a spill out war on its border and cleaning it up, the americans left for iraq.

it could certainly find a better way to spend the hundreds of millions of dollars the F-16s will cost.

Hmmm the whole world could spend its money in a better way then weapons, but the reality is different and pakistan is not anny different. defence of a country comes first. and i think we all know what the 2 major threaths are to pakistan being terrorists and india.

Shortly before IDEAS 2004 opened, he announced that he will not step down as chief of the army, as he had promised. The United States barely let out a peep.

I think here the US knows that most poor countrys democratic leaders only talk but not deliver and take action. in a poor quantry which has never witnissed democracy, it can never establish itself. a country has to have some basic development first. If musharraf would hand over the power now, pakistan would hae majore chances to fall back and the terror fight would be weakend.

And although Pakistan’s military is still overwhelmingly oriented toward India—hardly a major front in the “war on terror”—Washington has opened up its pocketbooks again. Over the next five years, Pakistan will get at least $1.5 billion in defense aid from the United States.

hmmm again, you can read my first comment on its quote, pakistan delivered most al quaida fugitives. it has perhaps the largest coalition force out there fighting the spill over. its lending its bases in support for the war on terrorism. its made major costs (material, manpower) by going into the lawless lands in the east. It sufferd major losses by war on terrorism, a 1.5 billion dollar aid is joke to most pakistanis. (but acceptable as we are doing most for ourselves also). not to think who left who after the communist pak us marriage

India should slip Taiwan some nukes, just like how China slipped some nukes to Pakistan.

That would settle the score…

always bringin in the india V pak crap. :rolleyes: (stay on topic)

China has heavily concentrated its weapons near taiwan. 60/a year for is to much, it is like in the report likely 6/a year.