Again Economics ? This is Threadh about PAF, dont drag economics, politics everytime into it.
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A question, what effects these modified air-inlets have on the plane? and how it is better or worse than the previous design?
Thanks.
Some pieces form the aricle (about DSI on jsf and F-16)
The overall inlet design, called a diverterless supersonic inlet or DSI, moved from concept to reality when it was installed and flown on a Block 30 F-16 in a highly successful demonstration program.
The new inlet showed slightly better subsonic specific excess power than a production inlet and that verified the overall system benefits of eliminating the diverter. Test pilots remarked that military power settings and thrust characteristics were very similar to standard production F-16 aircraft with the same General Electric F110-GE-129 engine. Considering the overall goal of the flight test program was to demonstrate the viability of this advanced inlet technology, the results were excellent.
The DSI bump functions as a compression surface and creates a pressure distribution that prevents the majority of the boundary layer air from entering the inlet at speeds up to Mach 2. In essence, the DSI does away with complex and heavy mechanical systems.
The DSI concept was introduced into the JAST/JSF program as a trade study item in mid-1994. It was compared with a traditional “caret” style inlet. The trade studies involved additional CFD, testing, and weight and cost analyses. The new inlet earned its way into the JSF design after proving to be thirty percent lighter and showing lower production and maintenance costs over traditional inlets while still meeting all performance requirements.
here is the full article.
http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2000/articles/july_00/divertless_1.html
JSF Diverterless Supersonic Inlet
By Eric Hehs
This article appeared in the July 2000 issue of Code One Magazine
Only thing is that i would have loved to see a more “high sitting” cockpit. Why didnt they use this concept :confused: , it would provide much better situational awareness.
PAF to manufacture parts for Boeing
Islamabad, May 10: Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has said that it would start manufacturing parts for us-based aircraft giant Boeing from next month which would enable it to formally join the club of aviation parts makers.
Air Marshal Aurengzeb, Chief of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra, which was poised to manufacture JF-17 fighter developed jointly by Pakistan and China, told the media yesterday that Boeing aircraft co has set up a parts manufacturing unit in PAC.
PAC is the manufacturing unit of the PAF.
“At this factory through Boeing offset programme, we shall be manufacturing aviation parts for Boeing 747, 767 and 777 aircraft,” the official news agency quoted Aurengzeb as saying. “Around 20 parts of Boeing aircraft would be manufactured here for the Boeing company which has set up parts manufacturing plant as part of the agreement for supply of 777 aircraft to Pakistan International Airlines (PIA),” said another senior officer of PAC during a visit to the under-installation plant unit, the news agency reported.
He said parts of Boeing would be manufactured here and sent to the company for their onward sale and supply. The technicians of Boeing are working on the installation of the plant which would be completed by end this month and would start production from next month, the official said. A couple of years back PIA had placed orders for supply of eight 777 series aircraft. Some of these aircraft are included in PIA’s fleet while the rest would be inducted in the days ahead.
http://www.zeenews.com/links/articles.asp?aid=216441&sid=SAS
Pakistani Frigate Safeguards Gulf of Oman as Part of Coalition Task Force
Story Number: NNS050511-14
Release Date: 5/11/2005 12:20:00 PM
From Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command/Commander, U.S. 5th Fleet Public Affairs
ABOARD PNS TARIQ, Gulf of Oman (NNS) — Pakistani naval ship (PNS) Tariq (DDG 181) conducted a Visit, Board, Search and Seizure (VBSS) drill in the Gulf of Oman May 9.
Tariq’s VBSS missions support maritime security operations (MSO) in the Gulf of Oman under the direction of Commander, Task Force (CTF) 150. CTF 150, led by British Commodore Tony Rix, operates as part of Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command. CTF 150 has included forces from the United States, France, Germany, Pakistan and the United Kingdom. These coalition vessels conduct MSO in the Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea, Persian Gulf and Gulf of Aden to set the conditions for security and stability in the maritime environment.
MSO complements the 5th Fleet region’s counter-terrorism and security efforts by denying international terrorists the use of the maritime environment as a venue for attack or to transport personnel, weapons or other material.
“When monitoring this area, it is important for us to check all of the merchant vessels, because you never know what terrorists will use to transport their goods,” said Tariq Commanding Officer Capt. Muhammad Amjad. “We want to intercept terrorists as well as their materials. Their basic financing is through the smuggling of drugs and weapons, so we want to disrupt that, as well.”
Since deploying April 16, Amjad said his ship has ensured no vessel that comes through his area of responsibility goes unchecked.
“We have queried all the merchant vessels, visited all the dhows and continually update [Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command] on all of our findings,” Amjad said. “There is a lot of illegal activity in this area, and the Pakistani ships have contributed a lot. We have been helpful in apprehending suspects of interest and have even helped take some suspicious boats back to Pakistan for further investigation.”
VBSS team captain Lt. Uzair Khalid said he and his team usually board at least two vessels every day.
When lookout personnel spot a vessel in the water, Tariq’s bridge team notifies the captain. The ship then closes in to initiate contact with the vessel either with the ship’s communications system or, if necessary, by loudspeaker. Khalid and his VBSS team board a vessel if the ship cannot establish communications or if there is reason to be suspicious of the vessel.
“We have two eight-man teams,” said Khalid. “The first is the security team. They go initially to secure the area. When everything is safe, we bring on our second team, called the sweep team, to ask questions and conduct inspections.”
The vessel queried May 9 as part of the drill was not suspicious and provided the boarding team with all necessary documentation to prove their legitimacy. Even so, every boarding is critical to maintaining safety and security of the sea, Khalid said.
“Our mission is to safeguard these waters, and we ensure, at all costs, that the mission is accomplished.”
In addition to daily VBSS missions, the multimission anti-submarine, anti-surface ship Tariq also takes measures against piracy, responds to distress calls by merchant vessels and provides search and rescue capability through its embarked helicopter squadron, commanded by Cmdr. Mohammed Masud Akram.
“We augment the mission of the ship, whatever it is,” said Akram. “Most often, we are engaged in search and rescue missions, but because we are part of a ship that operates with coalition forces, we can also assist in searches of suspect vessels. If the ship is too far away from a suspected dhow, or the sea state is very bad, we can conduct a query by helo and report back to the ship.”
The squadron contains one helicopter and 12 men who are integrated into Tariq’s 250-man crew.
This is Tariq’s second deployment to the Gulf of Oman. The ship was also part of CTF 150 from June to August of 2004. Tariq is one of six Pakistan navy ships that have been deployed since April, 2004. Combined, the Pakistan navy has queried more than 3,200 vessels in the 5th Fleet area of responsibility.
Pakistani Radar Technician Sailor Azad Bukhari, who has been in the Navy for less than five years, has been aboard Tariq for both deployments and is proud of the mission he and his ship are doing.
“We are saving the world,” said Bukhari. “We work together with America and other navies because this job is not for one nation. It’s for the entire world.”
By Our Staff Reporter
ISLAMABAD, May 9: Pakistan Navy will conduct the second round of joint exercises with the French Navy after participating in the ‘sea week’ being held in the United States later this month, officials said on Monday. An official said the joint exercises with the French Navy would be the second in a month. Pakistan Navy ships conducted manoeuvre exercises of attack, interception, replenishment and air defence systems with the French Navy on their way to Jordan on May 4-5, the official said.
Mine hunter exercises were held in April with the forces of the US, the United Kingdom and other countries in the Arabian Sea during April.
The Naval Headquarters said the Moawin and Tippu Sultan ships left for a cruise to the UK, the US and other Mediterranean countries on April 15. The ships would reach the US on May 25 and start their journey for home after participating in the sea week commemoration, it said.
It said the ships, on way to their destination, touched the La Goulette Port in Tunisia, where the mission commander, Commodore Asif Sandila, and the commanding officers, called on Tunisian Chief of the Naval Staff CVM Tarek Fouzi Larbi and the mayor of La Goulette. It said Prince Rashid bin Al Hassan and Princess Alia binte Hussain of Jordan attended a reception held onboard PNS Moawin.
DAWN, May 10, 2005
Anyway, arent women capable of handling high G forces without disorientation compared to men?
If you have had read the text
Women must achieve the same levels of performance as men
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copied from pakdef
Flight International 10 May 2005
Pakistan has increased its requirement for new Lockheed Martin F-16s to at least 55 aircraft and plans to decide on a configuration within the next few weeks, writes Brendan Sobie.
Industry sources say government-to-government meetings held in Pakistan last month resulted in a letter of request for 55 F-16s, plus 20 options. This is in line with the 71 additional F-16A/Bs Pakistan ordered before an arms embargo was imposed by the USA in 1990, but well above the 24-36 Lockheed was expecting.
Another meeting is planned for later this month in the USA with the addition of representatives from Lockheed. Sources expect this meeting will result in a decision on a configuration, most likely Block 50/52 aircraft, and a letter of agreement.
The US government will then be able to notify Congress of the proposed deal, giving it 60 days to consider it. A final contract could be signed as early as September for delivery from late 2008.
The White House in March unveiled a policy allowing the export of new fighters to Pakistan and India (Flight International, 5-11 April). Islamabad’s F-16s are to be funded partly by a five-year military aid package the USA has guaranteed Pakistan in exchange for its role in the “war on terrorism”. Pakistan will have to find additional funds from its defence budget, but sources say it is uncertain whether it will receive enough for all 55 aircraft.
Pakistan’s first women fighter pilots
The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) academy has been all-male for more than 55 years – but now it is going through major change. Women are now allowed to enrol on its aerospace engineering and fighter pilot programmes and are doing rather well.
To the great surprise of many men, some of the female recruits will soon start flying jet-engine planes. Male cadets are having to come to terms with the fact that masculinity itself is no longer a condition for reaching this prestigious institute.
Up till now they have done very well
Air Vice Marshall Inam Ullah Khan
There are 10 women in two batches in the flying wing of the academy. Many more are competing with men in the engineering and aerospace wing. These trailblazers may still be few in number, but many instructors and even some male cadets admit their presence is already being felt.
‘Lifelong dream’
Until recently, most women in this conservative Muslim society would more likely have imagined marrying a dashing fighter pilot than being encouraged to become one. “I always wanted to be a fighter pilot, and eventually with Allah’s wish and the full support of my parents, I made it this far
Cadet Saba Khan 
But this was not true for Saba Khan, one of four female cadets to make it through the gruelling first stages of training. Coming from an enlightened Pathan family in Quetta, capital of otherwise conservative Balochistan Province, Saba was initially inspired by one of her uncles who had been in the air force.
And she says the first newspaper advertisement seeking female cadets was like a dream come true. “I always wanted to be a fighter pilot, and eventually with Allah’s wish and the full support of my parents, I made it this far,” she said. Women must achieve the same levels of performance as men And Saba believes the first batch of women could provide much-needed inspiration for many other girls, who may follow suit.
Beaming with excitement, another aviation cadet, Ambreen Gill, said it was impossible for her to explain how she felt when she flew a propeller plane. She said she hopes soon to fly the jets on her own, and perhaps at some stage even state-of-the-art combat aircraft like F-16s.
‘Equals’
The air force academy is still male-dominated, and it’s not clear what the real feelings of the male cadets have been to the induction of women onto the fighter pilot programme. Saman Ahmed: ‘Don’t show us compassion.’ Officially, most have welcomed the move. But when one male cadet said the women should be shown compassion, female cadet Saman Ahmed was swift to say they were there to compete on equal terms. “We don’t expect compassion, we don’t get compassion, and we don’t want compassion,” she said. And this confidence is not without reason for Cadet Ahmed has already won praise in her engineering studies, beating both men and women. Her excellence is not confined to the classroom, either. During a rifle exercise, I watched as she shot all five bullets right in the bull’s eye.
Segregation
Many senior air force officials point out that bringing women into armed forces combat units has been a difficult decision in many countries. In Pakistan the challenges of doing so were even bigger. It’s not just about size or strength – cultural and religious matters were also to be taken into account. It’s quite important that we maintain this level of segregation, mainly because we are a Muslim society
Squadron leader Shazia Ahmed

The head of the PAF academy, Air Vice Marshal Inam Ullah Khan, admits they had to take certain cultural sensitivities into account. But he says allowing women to enrol has been a good experience, and some of the female cadets have done better than expected. The academy maintains a degree of segregation between genders. Although women march should-to-shoulder with their male counterparts during early-morning parade, some parts of the training, particularly physical exercises, are carried out separately. “It’s quite important that we maintain this level of segregation, mainly because we are a Muslim society,” says squadron leader Shazia Ahmed.
A psychologist by training, and in charge of the female cadets, she says “in some ways it also gives these girls the much required confidence before they take up the bigger challenges”. But there is no compromise on standards – the women must achieve the same levels of performance as the men, or face being dropped from the programme. For the moment it seems the few who have joined the ranks are doing extremely well.
And if that continues, when the current batch passes out in a year these cadets will become the first-ever women fighter pilots in Pakistan’s history.

Unless any of you guys can come up with neutral sources for exactly what Pakistan contributed to FC-1, my post stands as accurate. It doesn’t matter what the poster’s motivation is or what you think the poster’s motivation is. By that token, only certain nationalities can post in certain threads, defeating the whole purpose of a forum.
If you cannot answer a question, then admit you can’t and move on.
Its been answered/discussed previously several times, if you cant take the time to look or just dont want to listen, then just move on. :rolleyes: . everytime the same answer by the same person, while the thing is discussed over and over.
You talking about
neutral sources
😀 😀
Lying and blustering is not unusual for the country in question.
We are not talking about india :rolleyes:, for that you can go the IAF threadh thnx.
Pakistan has no role in the plane other than applying a coat of paint. It’d be cheaper for RMAF to buy it from the source – China. But given that MY wants to have appearance of good relationship with other Islamic countries, they may throw Pak a bone
Well you perhaps know better then the Pakistani PM/establishment about the development of the FC-1. :rolleyes:
2. This is an international aviation forum where people ask tough questions.
Then start beheaving like your on an international forum , not Bharat bakbak.
from pakdef
RECORDER REPORT
KUALA LUMPUR (May 07 2005): Pakistan has offered to sell JF-17 aircraft to Malaysia, which is being made in collaboration with China. “We have offered Malaysia to test JF-17, which Pakistan has made with the co-operation of China,” Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said while addressing the gathering of overseas Pakistanis here on Friday. He said that he offered the Malaysian Premier Abdullah Ahmed Badawi to test JF-17 ,during talks with him. About increasing trade with India, he said that Pakistan has increased positive list in the last few months and confidence-building measures (CBMs) are improving ties between the two countries.
Arshad and Star49, dont answer anything off-topic ;-). The same old BS, the same old posters, the same old story….this topic is useless anyway.
Russia is playing both sides, I read on the news the Russians were selling GPS Jamming equipment to Pakistan the other day. You know never know what the Russians are upto until the last day. And then Pakistan didnt set up JF-17 factory for nothing.
exactly :rolleyes:
OHH!!
Golden Arrow dont talk without any reference. How can you say all this.
Dont say probbably/may be/should be/would be, this or that.We people on this forum want facts. We are not here to illustrate our dreams.
1. Shaheen 2 and Chinese M-18 are two different missiles.Specifications for M-18
Payload: 400kg
Warhead: HE, chemical, submunitions
Length: 12.00 m
Diameter: 1.10 m
Launch Weight: 7,000 kg
Range: 1,000 kmSpecifications for Shaheen-2
Payload: 1,050 kg
Warhead: 750 kg; Nuclear 15 to 35 kT, HE, chemical, FAE, submunitions
Length: 17.00 m
Diameter: 1.40 m
Launch Weight: 25,000 kg
Range: 2,500 km
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Shaheen-2 Chinese M-18[I]Warhead 750 kg = 400 kg
Length 17.00 m = 12.00 m
Diameter: 1.40 m = 1.10 m
Launch Weight: 25,000 kg = 7,000 kg
Range: 2,500 km = 1,000 kmAfter this comparsion, you mean to say that Shaheen-2 = PRC M-18 ??????
http://www.missilethreat.com/missiles/
Alot of “Incarnations” lately, i thought it was forbidden to use multiple ID’s ?
In a way they Pakistani Airforce is just being prudent, why put engines in their shiny new FC-1s, if they are not going to use them to defend their country- just like how they were hiding during the 1999 Kagril war when the Indian Airforce was bombing the Pakistani Regular Army to a pulp….
Why fight today when you can live to hide another day…. PAF moto 🙂
lol bombing freedom fighters, those fighters kicked indian ass, till the AF gave them an edge to survive. And America saved their asses. 😀
why put engines in their shiny new FC-1s
What the LCA flys without any engine ? 😮