Learn to take a joke my friend !!! 🙂

The mods might have an issue with that statement , as it is disrespecting another member by distorting his username.

Sorry admiral !! 😉

it is ok 🙂 but i hope you understand my proofs come from E-10 example you use. If you have information that it work well then I will see, but the one I read so far like Iraqi Adam, it do not work too well.

Could we please get some Photo pics of Vladivostok skyline vs shanghai skyline to demonstrate how the Chinese Awacs performs better then the russian awacs 😉

do not trolling in this thread. I post the picture of the city because MiG-23MILF challenge me on income and development of two country. You do not need spread it to other area because you think it is funny.

LOL.. and which side is equipped with rafales? gays or gorillas?

Brazil is equip with Rafale if they choose it. Guerilla is in Paraguay. I do not think it is nice to say Brazilian paratroopers is gay. I know Brazil have wild time at Rio and thing can happen there, but it is not all paratrooper.

Unfortunately that is all BS, do not equate civil law with the savagery of Sharia law, under which in the modern world people have their limbs cut of for stealing food and 16 year old girls are put to death for being abused by their fathers, Sharia law is disgusting and should be outlawed. Islam may say that it is accepting of other religions, but the continual rants we hear about ‘infidels’ and ‘unbelievers’ tell a very different story.

i forgot question that Gray Color delete.

how come Islam people have important and famous scientific engineering culture but went away and stagnant for a long time? before European used to be behind Islamic people but then something happen that let European countries improve beyond them.

I thought this thread was about Russian planes, I was looking forward to nice pictures and information, somehow it turned out to mine is bigger than yours.

If Admaril wishes to talk Chines planes, why doesn’t he start another thread of his own???

I’d sugests no-one reply to his pointless – waste of time posts and concentrate on some interesting info or photos of Russian Aircraft.

my first post here is this one you can read on page 1

Russian planes is okay between 1945-1970.. but the west start improving alot in avionic and computers and distance between technology was bigger and bigger, and Russian plane is no longer impressive. When it was the day of MiG-15 and F-86, it was impressive, and they do not use much on avionic because it was relied on guns and eyesight than radar and missile. But by the time of MiG-31, they have to use very large radar to match performance of smaller western Radar and have many ieffnenciency. Engine also lagging behind. Same with China. before there was big gap between China and Russia, but now the gap is very small. Russia only lead in fat airplanes for cargo, engine for fat airplane, and some kind of missle but not all kind of missile.

you see, I do not mention much on China, just last sentences.
but if you read on page 1, it is MiG-23MLF that expand outside airplanes and talks about nuclear bombs and economy. I do not feel it is fair you blame me for this when he start it. it do not help when other people like willhem and indian star49 jump in.

So basically Pakistan is going to pay China to develop a system which it has already developed for its own indigenous use, sounds like a good deal for china.

it is good deal for Pakistan because American will not sell it for Pakistan. Russia maybe sell but their AWAC do not even work and is not upgraded in a while, Chinese AWAC show that even if embargoed from Israel, China can do it by themself.

:rolleyes: This Admaril, formerly “Chicum”, is not Chinese. The more you read his supposed “pidgin” the more you can see it’s an act.

Do not harass me all the time! You think I do not know you?
我不需要证明什么.. 尤其是对一 个台湾叛徒

First you are not correct, in aviation Russia builds Su-34s, Mi-28N, and Yak-130 for the Russian air force, Russia is building for Russian carriers Tu-204s and Tu-334 and the An-124 has started manufacturing status.

you say this all the time, but I keep telling you. who order them? how many Su-34 is there? how many Tu-334? all order is very small and is vaporware, you do not see it come out even if Russian say they want to buy it. when it happen it can happen, but it do not happen. you rely too much on these products that is not being ordered in big number, or product that is just prototype.

Talking about the economy let`s see this fact, while you talk too much about Chinese prowess why you do not talk about the Chinese poors? about the 50% of the Chinese export products sold being non designed chinese products but big foreign corporations products that are paying so little to the chinese workers.

No, the pay is not bad like you say. it is not high compare to westerner, but the chinese who work for western companies is usually from the country side. you may think it is poor, but they make more money there than in country side.. most go to work for them on their own, not by force. working hard everyday in these companies is still better than working hard in the farm, but you westerner do not understand life in the country side to see how hard it is.

Also still Russia has a better standard of living and a higher per capita income.

cannot use this logic. per capita income is come from Populatoin / GDP, it is not most ackurate way to measure income of the people. in Russia it may look better than China but in Russia income is very unequal. alot of money is in hand of oil business men, Russian-Jewish people, etc. You go to middle of Russia, people there still live old house.

I am not saying China is not like that, China sitll have big gap. BUT EVEN IF 90% OF CHINESE PEOPLE IS POOR, THEN 10% IS GOOD. 10% OF CHINESE POPULATION IS THE SAME SIZE AS ENTIRE RUSSIA POPULATION!!!
even just 10% it is bigger than all European country and same size as Russia population!

but you people do not understand so i put picture

this one is Xining City, Capital of Qinghai, 2nd poorest province in China

even in 2nd poorest area, you still see new building and develoment

this one is Kunming of Yunnan. western area, not richest but still have much development and not starving people..

now this one Vladistovok, most important city in Russian Siberia (but used to belong to China)


still many old building, looking rotting. i can post more and more and you will understand.

Man why are you thinking Russia only sells oil, that is quit false, Russia has areas where still is doing well and aerospace is one and it that where China is still far behind Russia , Russia is buiding Tu-204s, Engines for China, Su-33s, and many more equipment, you are over valorating China`s success, Russia is becoming a more complex country than you think, computers and software are also areas where russia is becoming better and you can see that in the avionics the Su-34 has here is a picture of the Su-34

and i prove you wrong too
u see right here
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rs.html#Econ
“Oil, natural gas, metals, and timber account for more than 80% of exports, leaving the country vulnerable to swings in world prices”

Su-33, they do not sell. tu-204, small customer. ENgine for China? not any more in future if WS-10 succeed. and all the other stuff you and Mig, and flex throw in, it do not change that 80% of Russia economy rely on raw resource and oil. the thing you use for proof cannot be use because all of you do not use percent. it is only small percent of Russia economy and they only sell small number.

They have found Celtic mummies in China dating back over about 2000 years or so…does that mean Ireland/Wales/Scotland/Britanny can lay claim to a section of China?

no, the Mummy is not English, again you westerner do not know anything. The mummy is relate to Yue Zhi people, they like Iranian people, but Yue Zhi people do not live in China, they move to India and leave the area for Han people, so it is now Chinese territory, but barbarian tribe like Uighur and Tujue come down from north to try take it all the time, they still try today,b ut they use bombings

By all means feel proud of China, but why knock a country that has helped design or has designed over 90% of your armed forces equipment? I don’t understand your need to bash Russia to build yourself up.

i do not say China do not use Russian weapon, they use it alot before, but now they getting better and do not need to buy much Russian anymore, that is fact.

I do not know why 3-4 of you go against me and say I am bashing Russia. I just say that their old airplane is good but now they are behind, but you keep challenging me and do not even present proofs, you even attack my english and one guy attack my person. I hope this is all the proofs you need, it is not fair i have to put more time to show you why your logic is wrong because you do not realize the reality.

LOL, fighting gorillas with Rafales? Sound pretty uneven to me.. 😉

not uneven, Gorilla warfare is hard even if you have many airplanes. North Vietnam still win even when US use many new bomber and fighter in that time.

in South America have long history of Gorilla warfare. Paraguay give bloody gorilla warfare with Argentina and Brazil

gorilla fighting in jungle is dangerous