OTE=flex297]I would take an Su-35 over the J-10 any day of the week, so much is clear.

If you want to compare cockpits then do not mix 20-year old Sukhois with FC-1s that only exist in several prototypes. I will show you a cockpit of a Chinese F-7P in service with PAF to see how advanced your aircraft really are..

http://www.mig-21.de/deutsch/technikausruestung.htm
at least 70% of posters here are not native English speakers. Including me…[/QUOTE]

so everyone have to have english same level like you? that do not make sense, you are not teacher.

you cannot take Su-35 because it never even go into air force of Russia, it is just like blue angels now. you can take it but it will get shot down fast.

and yes I can use that Sukhoi because it is the one everyone but MKI is using. the FC1 cockpit is cockpit that Pakistan will get next year, so no difference. You do not see Su-35 going to enter service of any air force even in 5 years! by 10 year it become old news when JSF and F-22 become big. China will have J-12 prototype already.

also people keep saying Russian economy bounce back.. it is not the same.
Russia economy go down with Gorbashop, then go down with Yaltsin even worse for 10 year then only go back up in 2000 because of oil, that is all! just oil. Russian economy rely on oil and raw resouce, banking and finance stuff is too risky and will not develop there. It cannot compete with China. China from 1980 only growing and never stop growing, it never drop below 9% GDP grow. it have almost 30 years of growing when Russia only have 6-7 year, but China growing is more diversify and do not rely only on oil and resource. there is many manufacturing and technology too. and yes Chinese cars cannot be compare to other minor car from emerging market, any one can make car, but Chinese cars is one of largest car producer in world with Geely, Chery, etc. You do not see Russia go far with Lada, it is like old decade. Chinese car still have some improvement, it is not best in quality like Swedesh Vulva or Japanese Lexus but is getting there fast!

also you guys is also hippocrit, first you say China get J-10 from Israel now you say Russia, it seem the only thing you want to do is put China down because you cannot accept reality. you have to realize the reality. China is only partnering with Russia because of US, but in the end, Russia is still Russia, they make war with China when they have Imperial King, and they still make war with China when they become Cummonist, all on old Chinese land too! sometime things do not change.

Every post by this guy has been bashing Russian equipment while saying China’s own weapons programs are superior. Why are they still buying airframes and engines from Russia? Its hilarious cause his points are baseless.

Man in space? Russia until recently was the only country regularly sending people to the International space station because the space shuttle fleet was grounded. Was that 40 years ago?

please do not do member bashing. you only have problem because you only pick out my words that is critical of Russian industry. I even say that Russian produce good airplanes until 1970s. You need to realize the reality.

also point about living standard of China is not related to this. you must not have been to shanghai, hong kong, beijing, chongqing, etc. new building everywhere. i will show pictures but maybe in general’s discussion thread.

also the Tu-160 that is new one is just continuition of two incomplete one in Tuplev Kazan. You can pick out some project that is new and okay, but vast majority of Russian military stuff is not okay and base on used model.

Also China use to import alot from Russia, but now China can do its own, notice that it do not order as much anymore. no new soveremeeney or T-80 in a logn time. this will go to everything else too.

Full of BS as usual. Your posted Su-35 cockpit is 15 years old while your posted FC-1 cockpit is not even in series.

BTW, do something about your grammar.. Feels almost like encrypted messages.

it is not BS because you maybe do not realize but Su-35 is becoming old airplane.

this one may surprise you but this is Su-27 cockpit, but it is still use today

FC-1 cockpit is futuristic type and will be out next year in PAF service.

do not mind my English, I am not native speaker and this forum is not only for American and English people. I think it is not good that you criticize people who try to make effort in their English language.

yeah Paraguay has six? Tucanos and four? Xavantes, it´s a big threat…..

no it is gorilla warfare in the jungle that is problem. Not airplane

When wil Vatican become Muslim? interesting!

Russia has over China still a lot of advantage, it is not true that the gap is a small one, almost all the Chinese Jet have Russian tech in one way or other and many are basicly Russian aircraft build in China. Russia has almost thousends of Satellites launched and many many more cosmonauts launched.
The Russians are not lagging behind as you are saying with respect the west, modern russian aviation has avionics made in Russia that do not yield to western equipment, in fighter technology the Su-34, MiG-31 and Kamov Ka-50 have little competition.

By exception of the Russia, Ukraine, the EU, the US, canada and Brazil no other nations operate civil jet airliners in the range of 90 to 440 passengers built domestically.

And in nukes no other nation has more Nukes than Russia, the Russian economy is growing fast, it is an illusion of many that think Russia is a weak nation, it is not, it is still a power with enough strength

Here is the reason why Russia is leading over China

i do not see how it lead over China.
You show many Airliner but who is buying them? the world want Airbus and Boning, not Tuploev. Even Russian buying Boning. China alraedy start producing airliners and had built one a few decade ago. Chna hve better marketing power in civilian sector than Russia.
The bombers you post..when is last time they make it? they are all old left over and all the engineer who make it, no longer work for Russia because Russia have no funding. its technology will stagnate now while China rise fast.
The economy you have no understanding in. Russia only grow because it export oil and raw resource, all other industry is dead or uncompetitive. China has much more diversify economy and can afford to feed engineers.
Already China surpass Russia in MBT and IFV, when new Chiense and other engine go into production, J-10 and FC-1 no longer have any Russian in them. WZ-10 show omre promise for attck helicopter than Ka-50

Saudi Arabia take no loss really, it is big benefit.. Eurofighter cost many moneys for the type of aircraft it is. Maybe they need to consider East instead.