I ran through this in another thread, but what the hell 😀

The FC-1 is a pointless aircraft. It is being marketed as a J-7 replacement. Given the fact that J-7s will be replaced by J-10s in the PLAAF, the FC-1 has no real role there. Now, a single-seat L-15 would seem to be a perfect J-7 replacement, offering improved capability over the J-7 to rival that of the FC-1, packaged in a smaller and cheaper airframe. The single and twin seat L-15s could be seen as Chinese Hawk and Hawk 200 equivalents in a sense. The real advantage is that you can market them both together in an attractive package to both the PLAAF and an export customer. Why? Because you only need one aircraft type for training and point defense/light attack. Very attractive for a smaller or less economically secure air arm. And very attractive to the PLAAF, enabling them to buy more aircraft and not losing anything in terms of capability. The only reason the FC-1 is really around is Pakistan, and that’s too bad if you ask me. Were it not for Pakistani interest and need, the FC-1 would be another one-off like the J-7MF. China can do far better than the FC-1 for itself, and it’s sad that a nation like Pakistan will negatively impact the PLAAF should they be pressed to induct the FC-1 to keep the project viable over the long term.

Ideally, you should have a PLAAF in 10 years or so looking like this:
J-10 handling air defense and ground attack
J-11/J-11B/Su-30MKK handling air superiority, fighter escort and long-range strike
J-8IIH handling air defense of less populated areas like western China (more range, so less jets needed to cover less important areas)
L-15 handling point defense to back up the J-10 and training roles

There’s clearly no need for the FC-1. The L-15 would be just as attractive on the export market, and potentially more so given the cheaper unit cost and dual role.

That’s why I have no love for the FC-1. That, and the fact that there are people who think it is the Great Equalizer and that a few of them could easily take down the Su-30MKI, another ludicrous notion not grounded in fact.

interesting what you say. but I hope J-8 series will be retired, it is getting old. also western area is becoming important too. there is many muslim there and they like blow up stuff, very dangerous.. maybe we need make unman drone like what US do and survey them. some of western neighbor have fancy aircraft. Kazakistan and Wuzubikestan have Su-27.. we are okay with them now but in long run they is also dangerous because they house muslim terrorist, also because some of their land also belong to China since Tang Dynasty.

It would stand to reason that as a simple J-7 replacement in the point defense role, the PLAAF would be better off with a single-seat L-15. The FC-1 would be more expensive, and overkill for the point defense role. Q-5s and some J-7s will be replaced with the J-10 to fill A/A and A/G roles. The FC-1 seems to not fit into the PLAAF’s needs. Better to go for the cheaper aircraft and keep your logistics equation less complicated by reducing the number of aircraft types in operation. Adding the FC-1 doesn’t really do anything.

single seat L-15 kind of remind me of Italian Brasilo- AMX, useless baby airplane. but I see what you trying to say.. J-10 more important and FC-1 have no real role. But problem is it is main fighter for PAF. Because they are new to aviation industry, we have to teach them to start at fundamental, teach them FC-1 not J-10 yet and when t hey have more engineer and better economy, together can make J-12 even.

Russia is different. They use to be small European country tht do not go past Ural mountain river. but they conquer many people. they steal land from Muslim tribe, Mongol Tribe, Chinese, and etc. so the muslim they have is natural muslim

Europe in UK and France, etc is different.. they the one who allow pakistani, indian, turkey, zidane, etc in the country of theirs and now they suffer for it. it is God punishing them for what htey do to the colonies.

Russian planes is okay between 1945-1970.. but the west start improving alot in avionic and computers and distance between technology was bigger and bigger, and Russian plane is no longer impressive. When it was the day of MiG-15 and F-86, it was impressive, and they do not use much on avionic because it was relied on guns and eyesight than radar and missile. But by the time of MiG-31, they have to use very large radar to match performance of smaller western Radar and have many ieffnenciency. Engine also lagging behind. Same with China. before there was big gap between China and Russia, but now the gap is very small. Russia only lead in fat airplanes for cargo, engine for fat airplane, and some kind of missle but not all kind of missile.

Fan art as far as I know, but it represents a better idea for China than the FC-1 if you ask me.

why you think like that? you do not like FC1?

perhaps you should start talking about finnish and other minor european navies…remember the actual topic??

topioc is troll. if you really want topic on small european navy, why do you make it Finland AND minor european navy? seem like you want only finland to lead

So is thats how you understood that or are just trying to burst flames from vet wood?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :dev2:

what is a vet wood? i am talking about Finland and karelia.

the spirit of finland has always been in there, alchoholic melancholia…it hasent been lost anywhere. Only that we tend to forget that its the exact spirit of Russia as well…

wait, so u saying Finnish want to be Russian now? :confused: