Alpha BravoMy point being getting a figure of 350 planes and just saying these are the require number of JF-17s the PAF needs is over simplying things. That is the total number of F-7s and Mirages ever procured.
IAF has ordered and operated over 1,000 MIG-21s over the years, but we are not talking about replacing them all right?
Air forces do not operate like that.
Well, the IAF may be a special case and an exception, it’s lost 1,000 aircraft through crashes in 40 years.
Alpha BravoWhat do you propose that the NATO interceptors do? Open fire on aircraft in international airspace? Ram them?
These particular Bears passed just over 20 miles off the southern coasts, well outside national airspace. They caused some consternation to air traffic control but aren’t anything more than a nuisance. Certainly less dangerous than the reconaissance ballons that the CIA used to send over Eastern Europe by the thousand.
Of course they did, they used to plod down through the GIUK and wait until the Icelandic F-15s or Leuchars Tornados fell-back. And then they’d keep trucking onwards. There was no way to prevent them from doing so.
Aren’t you aware that the Falklands task force was followed all the way from the Bay of Biscay to the South Atlantic by Tu-142s…?
Keeping you safe from the latest threat that the Government tells you to fear…?
The real question is why the MoD is so keen play-up these routine missions and why the RAF keeps wasting money ‘intercepting’ them, when all they do is tag alongside the Bears and burn fuel. Ah yes, there’s a UK Strategic Defence Review due this year…
On any other day you’d be right and I’d agree with you, but considering the situation in Ukraine and the increasing tensions between NATO and Russia, there is an extra dimension that comes into play. I’m not advocating any physical action, even during the height of the cold war we managed to avoid that, but clearly there are enough concerns in the prevailing conditions to justify close monitoring of these flights, and the recent disruptions to civilian ATC is an example of that.
Alpha BravoAjai Shukla, who has spoken to LCA test pilots said this
That’s it?! That’s all you have to go on?! How sad and pathetic! You dismiss raw data from other manufacturers when it doesn’t suite your views, but some obscure remark that may or may not have been made by someone in the IAF, and reported by someone you’ve dismissed several times in the past in an indian news source, is your hard data that the Tejas is “better on many significant parameters” than the Mirage 2000?! 😀 I’ll have what you’re smokin, that’s some strong s***.
Alpha BravoDid I say it exceeds the Mirage in every way? Take your bile onto some other thread and stop polluting this one.
As per those who’ve flown it, its better in many significant parameters than the Mirage-2000. As per one I spoke to, “more than adequate”.
You’ve yet to show it’s better than the Mirage 2000 in ONE parameter, let alone “many significant”, according to the “people you’ve spoken to”. This is the bile that YOU introduced to this thread, not me.
Besides, what’re you croaking about? The Mirage exceeds the JF-17 in ITR, and is 9G capable whereas the JF-17 isn’t.
I never made any comparison in the first place!! There’s insufficient data to make any comparison, if you can produce some, please do share. But considering the rest of the garbage you prattle on about, I doubt you can.
Alpha Bravothe ITR is equal to that of the Mirage-2000. The ASR itself was based on the Mirage-2000’s ITR and it has been met.
But the STR was called as being more than adequate- by one of the TPs. As for AoA, the max is now 26 deg, since it is a 8G fighter and not 9G. the Mirage-2000 being a 9G fighter can go up to a max of 28 deg alpha.
It is easier to land a Tejas than a Mirage-2000 and that was a point made by Grp Cpt Suneet Krishna, who was an IAF Mirage-2000 pilot prior to joining NFTC.
So without any numbers, and taking your word only, it equals the M2K on one metric only, ITR, and has a lower AoA and G limit. The rest is pure speculation, and making it easier to land will improve the crash rate of the IAF, but won’t be much useful in air combat. How is that in any way “significantly better” than the M2K? :stupid:
Alpha BravoAs per those who’ve flown it, its better in many significant parameters than the Mirage-2000. As per one I spoke to, “more than adequate”.
Can you quantify that? In what way does “more than adequate” equate to “significantly better”? :stupid:
Alpha BravoVideo of a test launch of the Ra’ad ALCM earlier this month, from a Mirage III. The video shows a steep dive manoeuvre of the missile, followed by nap of the earth terrain following.
Alpha BravoThe HAL/Safran MoU is just for some components of the M88, not the entire engine. Essentially, it’s a way for Safran to outsource and reduce costs.
Alpha BravoSo its perfectly reasonable and sane that the French govt. would repay banks and manufacturers if Egypt doesn’t pay its loans on time, but apparently it is too much to ask Dassault to assume any liability on the Rafale when it comes to HAL, which has been manufacturing jets for more than 5 decades now..they called that “a shortcut to bankruptcy” but apparently assuming responsibility for someone else’s payments isn’t a shortcut.
So after almost 14 years of indian fanboys barking on about the MMRCA, all you can do now is stamp your feet ***removed by moderator – let’s not get personal***? I guess the Egypt deal really did show up how pathetic the indian process is. Why did HAL need Dassault to be liable for the work it would do? Maybe because the indians felt they had already been shafted over the ludicrous amount they will pay to upgrade their M2Ks that they were never really interested in the MMRCA any longer, and this is a face saving measure. What does that say to foreign vendors when it comes to dealing with the indians?
Alpha BravoI’m quite surprised Egypt can afford brand new Rafales given the mess it’s in. With its major source of income from its tourism trade not what it used to be, I wonder how they afford them. Then there’s the issue of maintaining multiple types in its inventory. Strange choice to say the least.
Alpha BravoI think it’s cool, looks like a mini Hornet. Despite anything else, gotta give some credit to the Iranians for going this far in attempting some form of self reliance when all doors are closed to them. I wonder what are other countries would do in a similar situation with similar resources.
Alpha BravoIs this for real? I wouldn’t have thought someone senior in the DRDO would take this seriously, but then again….
Invisible planes next on DRDO’s radar, thanks to Sage Bharadwaj?
Panaji: India’s premier Defence Research of Development Organisation DRDO is open to co-developing a technology promoted by an Indian scientist who claims he can make planes invisible using pre-Mahabharata sage Bharadwaj’s formulae, a senior agency official said here Friday.
Speaking to IANS on the sidelines of the Bharatiya Vigyan Sammelan here, Satish Kumar, chief controller in-charge of research and development (technology management) at the Defence Research of Development Organisation (DRDO), said the agency was open to any technology which helps save time and cost.
“Oh yes, we have to work together. Certainly, we are looking for such kind of a partnership in the country,” said Kumar, when asked if DRDO would be open to looking at an invisibility-enhancing alloy manufactured using ancient techniques by scientist CSR Prabhu, who claims it can have potential use for radar-defying stealth planes.
Prabhu’s presentation was one of the highlights of the three-day conference, which is being attended by scientists from several states, including those from the government sector.
Prabhu, a former head of the central government’s National Informatics Centre, claimed that the formulae for the alloy has been sourced from Bharadwaj’s book ‘Brihad Viman Shastra’ and could make even planes invisible, because it absorbed 80 per cent of the light.
Kumar, who has been associated with prestigious DRDO programmes like developing liquid propellant rocket engines for Prithvi and Agni missiles, also said any available indigenous technology had to be nurtured and that technology which saved cost and times was of interest to the DRDO.
“…wherever we see we can be benefited by technology by which we can reduce the time and cut the cost, certainly we will try to go for it,” Kumar said.
The sammelan is aimed at creating awareness about traditional indigenous sciences and linking it to more modern science.
Alpha BravoWhy shoud they do this if they are developing an aircraft of the same category?
Makes no sense. It would be a waste of money and terrible for logisitic.
Exactly, why waste time and money developing an aircraft that already has an alternative on the market?
Alpha BravoWouldn’t it be cheaper and quicker to buy the KC-390?
Alpha BravoSeems like a bad couple of weeks for the IAF, a Mig-21, Mig-27 and Cheetah.
http://www.janes.com/article/48554/indian-mig-21-lost-in-training-accident
An Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 ‘Fishbed’ fighter aircraft crashed during a routine training exercise on 31 January.
The single-seat aircraft came down in the coastal Gujurat region not far from the Pakistan border, local media reported. The pilot ejected and was recovered shortly after.
An investigation into the cause of the loss has been launched.
ANALYSIS
This MiG-21 was the second MiG to be lost that week, and the fourth Indian military aircraft to be lost in 2015. So far this year, a Heron unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), a MiG-27 ‘Flogger’, a Cheetah helicopter, and now a MiG-21 have crashed.
This follows on the back of 12 losses in 2014, comprising three Jaguar strike aircraft, one MiG-21, one MiG-29 ‘Fulcrum’, one Su-30MKI ‘Flanker’, one An-32 ‘Cline’ transport aircraft, one C-130J Hercules transport aircraft, one Dhruv helicopter, one Chetak helicopter, one Cheetah helicopter, and one Heron UAV.
While there have been no fatalities to date in 2015 (although one civilian on the ground was injured when the MiG-27 crashed), 11 personnel were killed in 2014.
India has an appalling record of aircraft losses over recent years, and measures supposedly introduced by military and political leaders appear to be having no effect in reducing this attrition rate.
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