Have you ever been to the state of Jammu & Kashmir ?

Unfortunately, some foreign media organisations are banned from travelling to Indian occupied Kashmir.

Also, the so called “Kashmiris want eviction of India” is a thing of the past. You seriously appear totally clueless about the situation on the ground.

I suggest you head north from mumbai to Indian occupied Kashmir, you’ll get a better account from the Kashmiris about the situation on the ground.

Searching for the truth is not a one email affair though. Islam is different from other religions in this respect. I fear I have gone way off topic on this thread to continue further here.

All religions are the same. They prey on the fears, hopes and dreams of men. Religion was developed by mankind to explain the world they live in, and as human society grew ever complex, so did religion, until it became a tool for control over society. Religion has been, and still is, used to control how people think, what they wear and how they behave. With the development of epistemology and the scientific method to derive explanations of the universe, religion has become redundant, and it is not necessary to have morals. An atheist has the same capacity to deicide what morality is as someone who believes in God.

Documented on web hearsay, so basically you confirmed his statement. Seriously some of this over correcting around here gets tedious to read.

It’s an article from Flight International dating back to 1995! How is that “web hearsay”?!

JF-17 owes much to the Mig-21,its evolution into the J-7 and eventually the Super-7 program with Grumman.

Actually, the JF-17 has very little to do with the Mig-21/J-7 derived Super-7 programme. The whole idea of modernising the Mig-21/J-7 airframe with lateral intakes and a new wing, in collaboration with Grumman, was cancelled after Tiananmen Sq, and was way too expensive for a very limited increase in capability of an already stretched airframe. The FC-1, later to be called the JF-17 by the PAF, was a completely new aircraft, based on the Mig-33 concept of a lightweight fighter using a single RD-33/93 engine. Mig OKB was a consultant on the project and redesigned the concept with lateral intakes. This was then further developed by CAC/PAC into the JF-17 we see today.

Interestingly, the idea of adding lateral intakes to the J-7 wasn’t completely dropped by the Chinese, as demonstrated by the FTC-2000/JL-9 fighter trainer, which perhaps gives an impression of what the initial Super-7 would have looked like, and perhaps why it was dropped in the first place and now used only as a trainer/LIFT.

Firstly, the citizens of Kashmir have, from the moment it joined India, had a vote. They are represented in the Indian parliament by their own elected representatives. That has never been true in Tibet, & not always been true of those Kashmiris under Pakistani rule.

Azad Kashmir and the Northern Territories are not constitutionally part of Pakistan, so by definition, they can’t really be represented in the Pakistani parliament. Azad Kashmir has its own elections for its own government. Kashmiris in Indian occupied Kashmir may be represented in the Indian parliament, but when Indian troops use the tip of a gun to force Kashmiris to vote as part of a so called “democratic” process, you have to question the validity of that representation. Besides, if the Indians were so proud of their democratic credentials, why not hold a plebiscite and give the Kashmiris a choice on self governance, similar to the partial self autonomy the Azad Kashmiris enjoy?

Secondly, the Indian occupation was in response to a Pakistani invasion, unlike the unprovoked Chinese invasion of Tibet.
Thirdly, Indian Kashmir has significant minorities of Hindus & Buddhists. Tibet was pretty homogeneous religiously & ethnically before the Chinese invasion. No sane person can argue that those minorities would have had anything like the rights in Pakistan that Kashmiri Muslims have, & have mostly had since independence, in India. Muslims in India are vastly better off than members of religious minorities (whether Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Sikh, Jewish or whatever) in Pakistan.

BTW, the Maharajah’s decision to join India was a result of the invasion from Pakistan. Until then, he had tried to remain independent. He may have wanted to join India, but recognised that the Muslim majority were opposed to it. He agreed to accede to India only when India insisted on it as a condition of military assistance to fight off the invaders from Pakistan.

I don’t think it was Pakistani troops that invaded Kashmir first. It was mostly Kashmiri tribesmen who moved on Srinagar in an attempt to oust the Maharaja. Kashmiris can’t be accused of invading their own land. However, they were supported by tribesmen from NWFP, which led to the inevitable intervention of the Pakistani troops.

I don’t think any religious or ethnic minority in India, China or Pakistan enjoys much freedom. Take for example the thousands of Muslims that were butchered in Gujarat in 2003, scenes which were reminiscent of 1947. Of course, religious and ethnic minorities are “managed” to some degree or another in all 3 states, but if you’re arguing between India, China and Pakistan, it’s like arguing which terminal illness is the least pleasant.

This is again OT but I will try to answer it

1. Historically, there were n number of princely states like “Jammu and Kashmir”. They were combined to form modern India (Bharat/Hindustan). Another important fact as you mentioned “Princely state of Kashmir”, decided to merge with India.

Actually, the hindu/sikh “Prince” of the princely state of Kashmir decided to merge with India, he didn’t ask the people what they wanted. Seeing as they were majority Muslims, they didn’t want to join India, even to this day if they had a choice, which they don’t, they would reject Indian rule. Kashmir was/is the only Muslim majority state that didn’t accede to form Pakistan. The other princely states in India didn’t have much of a choice either.

2. The link/image you have attached, link says “Kashmir region” and images “Jammu and Kashmir” as there is no Kashmir territory.

Because you, along with the powers in the region, don’t recognise the historical borders of the state of Kashmir.

3. What is the definition of “Azad”, where people are free and can express their opinions and view without any fear. These rights people exercised yesterday/exercise today/will do exercise tomorrow. Could you please let me know when and why Indian troops entered “Jammu and Kashmir”? Do “Azad kashmir” freedom fighter has the licensee and right to do rapes, killings, torture and human rights abuses of people of Jammu and Kashmir (Pundits and Muslim alike)? Do you have stats if ever any “Azad kashmir” freedom fighter was sentenced because of any of their crimes? I am sure you can find such stats whenever army or police is found involved in such crimes.

The definition of “Azad” in this context is that people of Azad Kashmir and the Northern Territories are not constitutionally part of Pakistan. Azad Kashmir has it’s own government, elections and leaders. In fact, Pakistan has to pay the Azad Kashmir Government for power generated from the Mangla dam. Because Kashmiris believe they have a state, naturally there is solidarity amongst the people of Kashmir, whether they be in Indian occupied Jammu or in Free Azad Kashmir. When Indian troops commit rape, burning people alive in their homes, state sponsored murders etc, then naturally the Kashmiris freedom fighters will support their brethren. Can you please tell me why the Indians hide their state sponsored crimes in Indian occupied Kashmir? Why don’t the Indians give the Kashmiris the same right of self determination that Azad Kashmir has?

4. “Jammu and Kashmir” is more valuable then oil or other resources. It is a taj of India and full of natural beauty. I am happy violence is coming down. Tourist, business n growth is coming back.

The tourist trade is subject to political and security stability in Indian occupied Kashmir. Any flare up in violence will directly impact tourism there. Also, given the recent news of violence against women in Indian society in general and the recent murder of a foreign female tourist in Jammu, tourism will not be a significant resource over the short term.