Following the recently concluded Shaheen VI exercise with the PLAF in China, the PAF is currently conducting a multi-national air exercise in Pakistan (ACES Meet 2017) with 19 participating air forces, although only 2 are active participants with aircraft (the Saudis and Turks). Details are still sketchy as there’s nothing official from the PAF yet. I think this might be the first involving the newly established ACES unit (Airpower Centre of Excellence) at Sargodha (now Mushaf). Not the first time the PAF JF-17s have been pitted against the RSAF F-15s.











Originally Posted by Vnomad
Assuming a burn time of 30 secs and average speed of Mach 5 (both generous assumptions) we’re looking at a powered flight range of 0.34 x 5 x 30 ~ 50 km.
The Exocet had a long burn rocket motor but it was designed to fly at subsonic speeds.
The cruise speed would be lower, it’s only the terminal top-attack speed which approaches mach 5.
Originally Posted by Vnomad
That is the way it’ll be employed because that is the way all missiles of the type work. It’ll fire off into a climb to gain altitude before the motor burns out and then coast to the target. Some SAMs & AAMs feature a dual pulse rocket for greater terminal energy but its not something a diving ballistic missile needs.
No, not if the target is within range of the rocket motor powered flight range, it wouldn’t need a boosted ballistic trajectory. Exocet missiles before the Block 3 MM40 version all used a rocket motor. Range would vary depending on altitude and speed of the launch aircraft.
A JF-17 carrying two CM-400AKGs isn’t necessarily anymore formidable than one equipped with two C-802s. The ‘carrier-killer’ thing is pretty much a myth, else it’d be the weapon of choice for the J-10 & J-11 as well.
The CM-400AKG like I said in my previous post – is a boost-glide weapon that follows a predicable ballistic trajectory that makes it susceptible to interception by medium/long range SAMs, as compared to conventional i.e. air-breathing missiles.
While it may be able to fly a boosted, ballistic trajectory with a terminal glide stage, there’s no reason to assume this is the only way it will be employed. Given it’s stated range, it’s most likely to still be powered in the terminal stage allowing it to perform evasive manoeuvres, which is one of it’s key capabilities, along with around Mach 5 terminal speed. The glided ballistic trajectory would only be used to extend its range beyond that of its rocket powered stage.
In any case, although it may not be used by the PLAF, they do seem to be using traditional ballistic missiles as part of their “carrier killer” capability, with bona fide ballistic flight paths and gliding terminal warheads, but which they claim are capable of performing evasive manoeuvres, so there is some validity to this approach.
Furthermore, how many ship based anti-air systems have actually been demonstrated to be effective against a ballistic threat, aside from say the US SM series?
Thanks for the details Blitzo.
Any details of the helmet worn by the J-20 pilots? Does it have cueing and targeting capabilities?
Why does the Typhoon vent fuel vapour from its fin fuel tank under heavy G load, while other fighters don’t seem to vent fuel vapour?
Why does this need a thread of its own when it could have been posted in the PLAF thread?
If the moderators deleted the TFX thread for the same reasoning, it should be applied consistently.
It turns out there are many shades of grey (way more than 50), along with any other colour…fancy that?!
I am not going to list suggestins for this one.
What color is this H6 bomber. (beautiful piece of Soviet engineering)
Light grey.
What say ye?
Dark Green or Grey
Dark grey.
Aren’t they already testing a CATOBAR version of the J-15 with modified undercarriage? Perhaps a future version with AESA is likely too, similar to the modifications we’ve seen for J-16D.
I’m surprised the UAE isn’t interested in the TFX instead.

