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September 29, 2004 at 8:52 pm in reply to: GUESS WHAT THIS IS???? NUMBER 3.. #1420877

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a centipede crossing its legs?

September 29, 2004 at 8:17 pm in reply to: Picture quiz 457c MkII #1420900

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It’s the inside of a old Classic Coke can!

How about a Sprite? An unrestored Schwepes?

How about a Hurricane…? Nope, that’s not a SOFT drink….

September 29, 2004 at 7:18 pm in reply to: Crazymainers US Navy Quiz #1421060

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Here’s my guess…..

Curtiss type D III, the IV had a passenger seat…

This was the military version of the hydroaeroplane, as Curtiss called it…

The civilian version had twin floats…

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/curtiss_diii.htm

September 28, 2004 at 9:55 pm in reply to: "Hello Rabbit Leader…" #1423654

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Meanwhile, on a mission out of Deenthorpe somewhere over mainland Europe, a B17G flies through heavy flak, late ’44:

Tail gunner, “I’m hit!”

Pilot to tail gunner, “Where’re you hit?”

Tail gunner: “In the ass!”

Pilot to tail gunner, “Don’t worry. It can’t hurt you there!”

(actual conversation my dad had with his tail gunner)

September 28, 2004 at 9:20 pm in reply to: Vintage aircraft in FL, Hurricane Jeanne #1423688

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Stewart1,

I hear Florida is changing its name from the Sunshine State to the Plywood State and the new state flag is a blue tarp!

Speaking of Mustangs, seems Capt Blair, who owned the Short Sunderland in the Fantasy of Flight Museum was also an adventerous aviator, and a Mustanger (over the North Pole no less): 😎
Did I mention he was very happliy married to the famous and good looking movie star Maureen O’Hara!? 😀

His Mustang hangs in the Smithsonian!!! (I did not know until a few minutes ago!)
http://www.cooksley.org/mophotos.nsf/Blair?OpenPage

Pan Am Capt (AF General) Blair’s bio: interesting!!
http://www.users.qwest.net/~aknot/blair.htm

It is amazing how the web can bring us all together on stuff like this.

September 28, 2004 at 5:34 pm in reply to: Vintage aircraft in FL, Hurricane Jeanne #1424112

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FL hurricane update, Homestead memory

Just got an amail from the mktg director of the Fantasy of Flight Museum. All is well there… so the Sunderland is fine..

(I looked up the history of the Sunderland at the FoFM, and my dad used to fly with its former owner Capt Charles Blair, when they were in Pan Am, Miami, FL).

John B, My mother lived in Homestead at the time of Hurricane Andrew. Luckily her nursing home was evacuated up to Kendall, but it was still baaad there…To fly over that mess so soon after it happened must have been gut wrenching.

I remember how Homestead AFB was creamed. Since it was under consideration for a base closing, Andrew sealed its fate…

Once at Homestead AFB, a defecting Cuban pilot landed his fully armed MIG while Nixon’s Air Force One was on the apron… Quite a stir!
I bet the base and wing commanders there had a cow! 😮 😮

I suppose it will take a while for all the damage to vintage planes to be compiled from the various museums, hangars and owners after this onslaught!
🙁

September 27, 2004 at 9:26 pm in reply to: Vintage aircraft in FL, Hurricane Jeanne #1426346

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Swiss military airports for FL???

Main(e) Man!

Tnx for the updates!

REgarding the Sunderland, the pictures on website show it indoors. Not sure if that was a current picture.

If it weren’t for the FL water table, maybe underground hangars like the Swiss military uses, would be a fantastic idea! Especially if FL is going to have a decade of bad hurricanes, due due to changed WX patterns.

CM, It must have been gut wrenching to go to Miami and the Kendal Tamiami airport after Hurricane Andrew. A friend lost his private plane there, and I recall piles of stacked wrecked aircraft. Granted most would be insured, but still….. Especially for the historic aircraft, it takes years and tons of $$ to restore them, and if they are totalled, that’s it, scrap and parts city. I caught a few pics of the Weeks B17 after Andrew on B17 survivor sites.

September 27, 2004 at 5:58 pm in reply to: Vintage aircraft in FL, Hurricane Jeanne #1426763

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Glyn,

I agree, visitor/customer access in FL is great, especially near Orlando…

I hope the Lone Star Flight Museum in Galveston has good evacuation plans! They are very near the Gulf edge and backwater area.

I saw a lot of their aircraft before they were ever restored, when I lived down in Friendswood. Some were at Hobby Airport, a few were at Clover Field in FW.

I am from Miami, and luckily did not live there when Andrew hit. I just read online that as part of K Weeks’s museum bashing there, his B17 was “flown” 2Km by Andrew and wrecked… Amazing force to “fly a B17 2 KM!!!!”

NO thanks to hurricanes in Houston, even if I live about 80miles inland!!!!!

September 27, 2004 at 5:50 pm in reply to: Vintage aircraft in FL, Hurricane Jeanne #1426765

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CrazyMainer… taken from the palmbeachpost.com website:

An historic airplane on display in front of the 391st Bomb Squadron restaurant at Palm Beach International Airport was seriously damaged.
[I think this is the replica damaged I saw from the air, but I still think what I originally saw was a flipped mustang… not convinced this is what I saw on the tv news.]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/shared/weather/storm/photos/jeanne/0926p4/05.html

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/05/59/10/image_910595.jpg

September 27, 2004 at 5:32 pm in reply to: Vintage aircraft in FL, Hurricane Jeanne #1426773

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Thanks for the update on Pensacola, CrazyMainer… (I prefer the more southerly Conch Republic… : ) )

I guess what I had seen earlier was a preliminary comment after Ivan from the Museum before a full physical site review…

The official naval air museum site seems to still be down.

Here are some links and news info to FL vintage aircraft and museums, if you are interested…

http://www.warbirdmuseum.com/ in Kissimmee FL
http://www.vacwarbirds.org/index.html (valilant air museum) in Titusville
http://www.fantasyofflight.com/ it’s between Tampa and Kissimmee
their post Hurricane Charley news release: http://www.fantasyofflight.com/pr_07.htm
Now, we wait to hear more after Jeanne…

http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/news/story.asp?newsid=177&section=yearround&body=news in Lakeland FL

http://www.seaplanes.org/cgi-bin/briefs/index.cgi#159 (planes news in FL, airports, etc)

Eglin AFB Air Force Armaments museum: no operational official website found.
http://www.florida.flyer.co.uk/airforce.htm many aircraft, mostly outdoors…near Hurricane Ivan’s path last week… in Fort Walton Beach, FL.

September 27, 2004 at 5:09 am in reply to: Vintage aircraft in FL, Hurricane Jeanne #1428077

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Papa L

I hate to say it but that article is from 2 hurricanes ago!!!

I just checked the link and nothing new is posted… It just hit last night. It was expected to turn up the coast but Hurricane Jeanne went inland almost all the way across the state then turned north.

Florida is getting bashed! This makes the first time they have had 4 FOUR in one season, let alone all in about 6 weeks!!! The WX channel overlaid their 4 paths and they all intersected not far from Orlando and Kissimmee!!!!

Anything previously damaged would still be there had have gone through this last hurricane!!!

Guess we have to wait for more news.

Glad to hear the Mustang was a replica!

I did read online that the Pensacola Naval Air Museum hit by Hurricane Ivan did well, with only 2 outside aircraft getting minor damage a week ago. Considering what happened right around them, including on the naval base, they are very lucky!

FlyPast will undoubtedly be compiling a long list of hurricane damage news from FL!

It’s my home state, so really hate to see the news…

Right now there are 1 million folks in Florida without power!

September 20, 2004 at 3:55 pm in reply to: Hurricane bare-bones #1436249

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Hurry Tail

I recall in a brief article about rebuilding the rudder of the Hurricane, it had over 1000 pieces, very small and intricate!!! It was hard to believe until you saw the pictures….

September 20, 2004 at 3:12 pm in reply to: Songs with specific aircraft in the lyrics #1436265

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Singer Jimmy Buffett has tons of references to his planes and flying..

His album, Somewhere Over China, the song by the same name is dedictaed to the crazy Flying Tigers… and also mentions the space shuttle…

What the hell did Marco Polo think
When he ran into the wall
Or the crazy Flying Tigers
Doin’ spins and loops and stalls …
…….
How I would love to drive the shuttle
Just to feel the engines roar
And to operate the levers
That control the payload doors
I could buzz the Himalayas
Barrel roll above Hong Kong
Set her down in San Francisco
To the clangin’ of a gong
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In Banana Wind, the hidden track song is Treetop Flier

I fly any cargo that you can pay to run
The bush league pilots, they just can’t get the job done
You’ve got to fly down the canyon, don’t never see the sun
There’s no such thing as an easy run

I’m a treetop flyer
Treetop flyer
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His album Far Side of The World, song Someday I Will has

I see a flying boat
and I get a lump in my throat
and I say Someday I Will
Someday…

He has a lot more, but I won’t bore you guys… But you can tell JB is an avid aviator….

September 16, 2004 at 11:30 pm in reply to: Songs with specific aircraft in the lyrics #1438495

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And we all know,

A little nukie never hurt anyone….

( a bumper sticker I saw while I was in the USAF)

September 16, 2004 at 11:08 pm in reply to: Florida losses #1438511

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Eglin fighters evacuated. Families stayed?

When I saw video of the fighters evacuating, I first thought, well, looks like the pilots take the jets out, and the wives and families get to slug it out with Hurricane Ivan without them…

Another thing military families have to cope with.
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